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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Franco Stein
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-06-27 16:45:19 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:

Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!


Where can I get PLEX for free?

Help, please.



Simple.... scam the guy that bought it from a RL Vendor so he could buy gear to compete with you.
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-06-27 16:47:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible.
Multiboxing is P2W in the same sense as being 5 players rather than 4 is P2W, i.e. not at all… and its being allowed and possible is completely unconnected to the existence of PLEX.



WRONG.... If there was no PLEX, and a player had to actually subscribe each and every account and pay $ 75 a month for those 5 accounts in Real money.... There would be far less multiboxing... and if the client didn't allow multi-session it would solve that issue as well.... but we all know that will never happen, unless you don't buy PLEX...
Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-06-27 16:48:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
[quote=Ace Uoweme]Multiboxing is completely unconnected to the existence of PLEX.



lol to the "existence" no. But does multiboxing provide easier means to obtain it, yes.
Din Chao
#84 - 2013-06-27 16:51:18 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Multiboxing IS P2W...

Except that they're usually mining, and mining is the antithesis of "winning."
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#85 - 2013-06-27 16:54:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Franco Stein wrote:
WRONG.... If there was no PLEX, and a player had to actually subscribe each and every account and pay $ 75 a month for those 5 accounts in Real money.... There would be far less multiboxing... and if the client didn't allow multi-session it would solve that issue as well.... but we all know that will never happen, unless you don't buy PLEX...

“Issue”? What issue? And how is the software design in any way connected to PLEX? Ugh

And no, it's not wrong, as proven by history. Multiboxing would (and did) exist just fine before PLEX were around. In fact, if anything, the hare-brained notion that multiboxing is somehow P2W proves that PLEX is the opposite of P2W: the guy who doesn't pay wins by virtue of having all those accounts for free without himself paying any real-life cash for them. But then, having more people around is not P2W to begin with, and neither is PLEX since there is no “win” to be bought.

Oh, and no, disallowing multiple instances of the client would not stop multiboxing either. There's a reason it's called multiboxing after all…
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#86 - 2013-06-27 16:59:32 UTC
Looking at this topic and a few on the front page of GD , well ,it makes me want to check the cycle of the moon or something, because these people sure are coming out of the wood work today lol.
Korah Arnelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-06-27 17:03:43 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.


Nope and nope. A day one newbie will never out fight any player that has the support skills, connections, knowledge and/or gusto of a non-newbie player no matter the hull they're sitting in. Even if you factor in buying a new character, they still have no real edge over an experienced pilot. So, nope. PLEX != PTW. Try again.
Korah Arnelle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2013-06-27 17:06:19 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Abon wrote:
ITT: A mad guy not understanding PLEX and basic game terminology.

On a serious note...you misunderstand the term P2W.


People not drinking the Koolaid understand that EvE isn't about equality either. With IsBox now "legal" in game and we can see 40+ box fleets, yeah, you can P2W, literally.


Multiboxing is something very different. Without derailing too much i am not a huge friend of it either when it comes to a 40+ fleet flown by a single guy but it always existed and always will. CCP simply came to terms with it and discussing PLEX will change nothing about that issue.

Also EVE isn`t about equality..it never was to begin with.



Multiboxing IS P2W...and PLEX even allows it to be possible.

It's checked in other games because of the expense. EvE doesn't have that price check, a player could 40 box via PLEXing.

So while it's allowed, folks can also claim EvE is now a P2W game due to it (and yes WoW too can be argued is P2W as it allows multiboxing software too).


Multiboxing is not PTW under any condition as you need to know what you're doing. Plus, I don't believe you can script your other boxes to act via botting at all. That is still against EULA/TOS for CCP, so the bannination would ensue when (not if) a player gets caught. It's no skin off their back if they ban such morons. It just frees up resources for them.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#89 - 2013-06-27 17:07:37 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Looking at this topic and a few on the front page of GD , well ,it makes me want to check the cycle of the moon or something, because these people sure are coming out of the wood work today lol.


Mercury is retrograde. Bad time for communications, etc.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#90 - 2013-06-27 17:09:54 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.


Uh, PVE is great. I love the mission.
Uh, PVP is great, FW is fun as hell on my alt.
uh, PLEX is great, I dual train on my second account.

HTFU.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Lipbite
Express Hauler
#91 - 2013-06-27 17:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
~20% of EVE accounts (100k) paid by PLEX which cost around $20 each.

Sure, CCP, listen to this random stranger - cut off your $24.000.000 (per year) income stream.
4runner
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-06-27 17:20:31 UTC
I have no interest to come home from my 8-5 work, only to sit by the computer and work more to be able to pay for spaceship rent every month, I pay my sub with cash and I also convert gametime to Plexes, I spend that cash on ships and stuff and "HAVE FUN" if I run out of cash I simply convert more plexes to ISK.

I am a early 2004 player and I have tried most "professions" in this game and now it's all about having fun, exploring ( not for the loot and cash) just flying around hostile zones, picking fights and general fooling around null/lowsec, I have no interest to run lvl 4 missions for hours and hours just to afford a new pvp ship.

If they remove the plex system from the game I will most likely unsub, (Yes, someone can have my stuff) or if they come up with another cash for ISK system
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#93 - 2013-06-27 17:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Franco Stein
Lipbite wrote:
~20% of EVE accounts (100k) paid by PLEX which cost around $20 each.

Sure, CCP, listen to this random stranger - cut off your $24.000.000 (per year) income stream.



How would cutting off PLEX stop CCP's sub income? Would those players just STOP playing since they couldn't buy a PLEX to sub with..... WRONG.. it's cheaper to pay with CC friend.... The PLEX is the PAY TO WIN model and the lifers use it to Play for Free....... or the poster above me uses it to reduce real game risk and just buy his Win or Loss.... he's not gaming, just being overly generous and a huge reason this game has NO real true PVP environment.... Risk/Reward means nothing if you can just buy it!

CCP Loves PLEX, as it's gambling and the EASY Cheat code lazy gamers love to buy.

wake up.!!1
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#94 - 2013-06-27 17:23:14 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
~20% of EVE accounts (100k) paid by PLEX which cost around $20 each.

Sure, CCP, listen to this random stranger - cut off your $24.000.000 (per year) income stream.



How would cutting off PLEX stop CCP's income? Would those players just STOP playing since they couldn't buy a PLEX to sub with..... WRONG.. it's cheaper to pay with CC friend.... The PLEX is the PAY TO WIN model and the lifers use it to Play for Free.

wake up.!!1




GTCs cost more than subs, you're actually suggesting to a game company that it cut it's own revenue stream.

Good luck with that.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#95 - 2013-06-27 17:27:14 UTC
Plexing is also a huge incentive to get new players.

Plus the best stories involve plex scandels. look it up.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Franco Stein
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-06-27 17:31:57 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
Plexing is also a huge incentive to get new players.

Plus the best stories involve plex scandels. look it up.



I agree with the entertainment value of the scandals for sure..... it could be faction gear lost though and be just as frightening.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#97 - 2013-06-27 17:36:08 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Looking at this topic and a few on the front page of GD , well ,it makes me want to check the cycle of the moon or something, because these people sure are coming out of the wood work today lol.



It''s nearly the end of the month, and the next Gov assistance checks don't arrive until after the 1st.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#98 - 2013-06-27 17:41:10 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Plexing is also a huge incentive to get new players.

Plus the best stories involve plex scandels. look it up.



I agree with the entertainment value of the scandals for sure..... it could be faction gear lost though and be just as frightening.


But the great thing about plex is that it equates REAL money. So when people like cracked.com or massively report a huge scandal they can say "so and so lost 9000$ worth of gear"

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Franco Stein
Doomheim
#99 - 2013-06-27 17:41:42 UTC
Telemicus Thrace wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad?



I've read about your gaming in here and admire your efforts from what I have read.

Why you would support PLEX I can not understand, as it is completely counter to the values of gaming in every sense.

Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!

Take away the plex and you'll be left only with REAL GAMERS!


Decent troll attempt on your part I must admit . I put the OP down to you being a newb. Once more for the record...

It's been explained to you that PLEX are not free, you are trading with another player for game time. Those who can make a decent amount of ISK can buy game time from players. Players who may not have time or experience to make ISK can get it through cash. This is simply a formal version of my flatmate pays my sub, in return I build him ships. Nobody is playing for free.

Since neither skills trained nor player skill are affected by ISK this is not P2W. Even the most expensive ships get torn apart in the face of focus fire.

Because PLEX are traded between players on the open market supply and demand brings it into balance.

The greatest benefits of PLEX are:

- More players to shoot / trade with.
- Healthier economy from more ISK needing to be generated.
- Players can trade Cash for ISK risk free and the money goes to CCP instead of RMTs

Honestly though, you are just coming off as another troll. You are insulting and irrational and you don't make any valid point.



You lost me at the "SINCE NEITHER SKILLS TRAINED NOR PLAYER SKILL ARE AFFECTED BY ISK" comment.... you obviously haven't heard of the Character Bazaar.... it's a place where you CAN BUY VERY SKILLED characters, that you can BUY cool ships for, that you CAN Multibox with to EXPLOIT the Players who don't do any of those things and just skill and Sub, grind, trade, etc.....

P2W.....

You folks will just keep going..... log off for a week and do something else... then post your experiences... did you enjoy your life outside your cheat code... did you jump a guy at the bar with 5 of your friends or paid bodyguards.... did you feel like you somehow WON as a result and that you're great because of it?

So many questions, so little time!!!

All in good fun
Xeraphi
Perkone
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-06-27 17:54:17 UTC
Oooh this thread always happens. "I'm a better person because I have a job irl aren't I grand?!"

EVE is the only game where f2p works, you know why?

Imagine an infinity symbol. On one side of the loop, someone buys PLEX with cash, and on the other side, someone buys it with ISK. Now, you can see that cycle is happening and it keeps going around, you know why? Because now both people are creating content. Both people have the opportunity to interact with other people, get blown up, be a part of this universe. You remove one half, you only have a circle, not an infinity loop. Only one kind of person, half the content. Because it's a sandbox game, it NEEDS a critical mass of players. It also adds a unique mechanism not found in other games - blowing up real monetary investment. Without people buying PLEX to play, it wouldn't be as meaningful.

Simple.

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