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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#321 - 2013-07-01 08:25:44 UTC
You could argue that this game is 'be competent to win' if you judge 'winning' by simply being able to acquire in-game money. If you are smart enough you never need pay RL for a subscription or PLEX nor even make much effort or grind in-game for money either.

I spend about 5 hours in-game every three months in order to pay for my accounts and afford all the pew pew and sponsoring of events, live-streamers and PVP'ers that I wish to do.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#322 - 2013-07-01 08:34:55 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I spend about 5 hours in-game every three months in order to pay for my accounts and afford all the pew pew and sponsoring of events, live-streamers and PVP'ers that I wish to do.


How?

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#323 - 2013-07-01 08:46:41 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I spend about 5 hours in-game every three months in order to pay for my accounts and afford all the pew pew and sponsoring of events, live-streamers and PVP'ers that I wish to do.


How?


My guess is PI. Done properly and with preparation, you can rake it in.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#324 - 2013-07-01 09:24:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I spend about 5 hours in-game every three months in order to pay for my accounts and afford all the pew pew and sponsoring of events, live-streamers and PVP'ers that I wish to do.


How?


My guess is PI. Done properly and with preparation, you can rake it in.


You can generally make huge amounts of ISK each expansion if you're already accumulated a decent balance and can wait a few weeks for the payoff.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Joxxy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#325 - 2013-07-01 09:36:13 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...



Franco Stein
CURRENT CORPORATION
School of Applied Knowledge [SAK] from 2013.05.28 23:07 to this day


Please explain to me how this game should be played and enjoyed.

You see Im new to this game, just joined on 2013.05.28 23:07 and would love some insight from a veteran.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#326 - 2013-07-01 10:02:17 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I spend about 5 hours in-game every three months in order to pay for my accounts and afford all the pew pew and sponsoring of events, live-streamers and PVP'ers that I wish to do.


How?


My guess is PI. Done properly and with preparation, you can rake it in.


You can generally make huge amounts of ISK each expansion if you're already accumulated a decent balance and can wait a few weeks for the payoff.


Oh, expansion speculation. Gotcha.

Heh, I spend money too freely, don't have that kind of capital for long once I make any money lol.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Pitrolo Orti
Doomheim
#327 - 2013-07-01 10:10:13 UTC
Poor people always complain about stuff.

Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#328 - 2013-07-01 11:18:19 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...


plex is a perfect system however you need to spend the time to think about it in detail

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#329 - 2013-07-01 12:03:40 UTC
Sandbox games do not have a static victory condition. Tell me again what arbitrary victory condition is met when someone buys PLEX? What eve does have is permadeath of assets, so isn't it really Pay To Lose that we are discussing here?
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#330 - 2013-07-01 18:11:16 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I spend about 5 hours in-game every three months in order to pay for my accounts and afford all the pew pew and sponsoring of events, live-streamers and PVP'ers that I wish to do.


How?

Gathering and recycling empty Quafe cans. New Eden drinks a lot of Quafe.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#331 - 2013-07-01 18:17:28 UTC
Holy crap. Can we ban this thread and gas the op yet?
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#332 - 2013-07-01 19:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sri Nova
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...


People do pay to play this game . where do you think this plex comes from ?

And dont worry free to play is so passe these days , we have a new business model to look forward to .

it is the BBP model and has proven its self to be quite the cash cow . (Break the Bank to Play)

in order for eve to be relevant in this new order of gaming economics CCP will have to adapt this model to eve .

1st: the eve we have now will be called the Starter Edition it will come with current game content that we all know and love minus the ships and player owned structures .

the starter edition will come in 4 flavors minmatar, caldari etc... it will contain 1 starter frigate. and a 1000 aur

it will retail at $$$

2nd. all additional ships will cost extra $$ or $$$ or even $$$$ depending on the ship desired. of course to make this desirable you get a high quality 3d printed ship that is pluged into a usb data port that reads the ship into the eve client. ala skylander / disney infinity. (also start citizen has shown people will spend insane money for digital starships)

3rd. there will be eve trading power packs the packs contain a random assortment of power ups that can be applied to your ships base, this gives your ship a buff and they are available in single packs for $ or of course you can buy a box for $$$

4th. all featured content will be released as odysseys, they will come in at $$ per episodic content pack they may include cool new ships or power packs.

5th. lets not forget about your in game character . thats right for the cost of $$$ you get my lil eve dressup play set
comes complete with a walk in closet and a assortment of vanity mirrors. But the best feature of all is that you can even have a friend over for tea !!
There will also be supporting content packs that cost $ and $$ and even $$$ they will get you special clothing and accessories cards that can be traded in game among the player base remember ! gotta collect em all !!!

this is the new gaming model of the future .

skylander set the stage for this and disneys infinity will slap everyone across the face and make them realize that gamers just cant wait to spend their money on digital gaming goodness.

say good bye to free/cheap years and hello to the creation of the most expensive hobby of this decade.
Jeffrey Asher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#333 - 2013-07-01 22:15:19 UTC
Sri Nova wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...


People do pay to play this game . where do you think this plex comes from ?

And dont worry free to play is so passe these days , we have a new business model to look forward to .

it is the BBP model and has proven its self to be quite the cash cow . (Break the Bank to Play)

in order for eve to be relevant in this new order of gaming economics CCP will have to adapt this model to eve .

1st: the eve we have now will be called the Starter Edition it will come with current game content that we all know and love minus the ships and player owned structures .

the starter edition will come in 4 flavors minmatar, caldari etc... it will contain 1 starter frigate. and a 1000 aur

it will retail at $$$

2nd. all additional ships will cost extra $$ or $$$ or even $$$$ depending on the ship desired. of course to make this desirable you get a high quality 3d printed ship that is pluged into a usb data port that reads the ship into the eve client. ala skylander / disney infinity. (also start citizen has shown people will spend insane money for digital starships)

3rd. there will be eve trading power packs the packs contain a random assortment of power ups that can be applied to your ships base, this gives your ship a buff and they are available in single packs for $ or of course you can buy a box for $$$

4th. all featured content will be released as odysseys, they will come in at $$ per episodic content pack they may include cool new ships or power packs.

5th. lets not forget about your in game character . thats right for the cost of $$$ you get my lil eve dressup play set
comes complete with a walk in closet and a assortment of vanity mirrors. But the best feature of all is that you can even have a friend over for tea !!
There will also be supporting content packs that cost $ and $$ and even $$$ they will get you special clothing and accessories cards that can be traded in game among the player base remember ! gotta collect em all !!!

this is the new gaming model of the future .

skylander set the stage for this and disneys infinity will slap everyone across the face and make them realize that gamers just cant wait to spend their money on digital gaming goodness.

say good bye to free/cheap years and hello to the creation of the most expensive hobby of this decade.


I can't wait for my Little Mermaid skins, and don't forget pets - they can only be seen in station by your friends that come over for tea,and have to be fed regularly with food that costs $. The best ones cost $$$$ and have no impact on game play at all, but you will look cool to all your school friends.

The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#334 - 2013-07-02 01:21:47 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not.


Making ISK in the EVE economy feeds my megalomania and makes me feel good while playing as the numbers grow.

The random rewards of " hah " someone actually paid that much for these things or, wow i got a steal on that are exciing


I have around 700 killls on my pvp character... a few hundred inanimate objects and a great many when my team outnumbered the victim... but its the Hunt and the chance of going your way and seizing the opportunity.. even if relatively easy, to actually get there and get the thing targeted before your buddies pop it lol.

Those kills are fun too.. and of course the 30% of them that were in relatively evenly matched encounters where one side or another had to flee the field perhaps even me getting out alive after a kill...actually very common as support flies .. those were the most fun.

i.e. I've fully enjoyed the pvp part of the game...

... but I also enjoy my 5 accounts paid for by isk and making more isk.. scattered throughout the universe able to provide eyes and have selected items on the markets that I wash rinse and repeat with once in place.

Oh... and the RL $ isn't the object although I do prefer to spend the money on fancy camps for my kids rather than my own recreation, if I can have just as much fun not spending money i can spend on them instead.

.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#335 - 2013-07-02 01:51:35 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...



You shut your w***e mouth.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#336 - 2013-07-02 02:02:44 UTC
I too think CCP should just throw away half of their subs because you suck.
P3ps1 Max
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#337 - 2013-07-03 18:08:54 UTC
What type of entrenched player base are you referring to?Big smile
Jeffrey Asher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#338 - 2013-07-03 22:41:12 UTC
P3ps1 Max wrote:
What type of entrenched player base are you referring to?Big smile

The ones who have unfairly been playing for 10 years just so their characters can be better than OP.Blink

The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#339 - 2013-07-03 22:47:10 UTC
I consider myself part of the 'entrenched playerbase' and I pay to play...er I mean lose ships.

Therefore OP is invalid.

Meet the "learning cliff", OP.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.