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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Franco Stein
Doomheim
#301 - 2013-06-28 20:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Franco Stein
I have grown tired.... I am going to biomass this toon... Mr. Franco will be no more after this post... rejoice!!!

But....... in closing........ you are all WRONG!!


and you all are truly " I shouldn't say, but" .... no I am not going to say it...... you're just blatantly wrong!


IF you really think that buying GEAR with real money is not a cheat, then this is your game.... and games like it.

In the old ways, players would have to EARN their GEAR in game doing Levels in both PVE/PVP battles and wait weeks to get that shinny "peace of fun".
That was GAMING, and everyone in the local chat knew who put the time in the game to get the rewards... he kicked butt on levels and was looked up to in a sense because he put the time in and was a patriarch of his little clan. People would ask him stupid questions like "how did you do it man, you just owned that guy"... Our Hero would smile and say " Just put the time in man, just put the time in".. ... True players both PVP and PVE would gasp at the idea of someone being able to buy GEAR with RL money...


There is no more Hero's in this game, as the line between Pay and Time is blurred...

The True Gaming Hero is dead, and so is this "champion" for the cause of right !!!
Northern Misfit
Far Mt Logistics
#302 - 2013-06-28 20:43:27 UTC
Does this mean I have to go back to work now?

High Priestess of the Sovereign Realm of Explosions and Light
Mag's
Azn Empire
#303 - 2013-06-28 20:45:42 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
IF you really think that buying GEAR with real money is not a cheat, then this is your game.... and games like it.
Oh we all think this and RMT should get you banned. Why would we think otherwise?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Vrenth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#304 - 2013-06-28 21:06:27 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...


Hint: Someone purchased those plexes.... and they were 20$ (more than a subscription). CCP makes more money from plex subs than regular subs, and the players that want to purchase an "Unfair advantage" (if you think this, you are bad at this eve game) can purchase isk.

Win Win from CCPs standpoint, Win Win from mine.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#305 - 2013-06-28 21:13:17 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
I have grown tired.... I am going to biomass this toon... Mr. Franco will be no more after this post... rejoice!!!

But....... in closing........ you are all WRONG!!


and you all are truly " I shouldn't say, but" .... no I am not going to say it...... you're just blatantly wrong!


IF you really think that buying GEAR with real money is not a cheat, then this is your game.... and games like it.

In the old ways, players would have to EARN their GEAR in game doing Levels in both PVE/PVP battles and wait weeks to get that shinny "peace of fun".
That was GAMING, and everyone in the local chat knew who put the time in the game to get the rewards... he kicked butt on levels and was looked up to in a sense because he put the time in and was a patriarch of his little clan. People would ask him stupid questions like "how did you do it man, you just owned that guy"... Our Hero would smile and say " Just put the time in man, just put the time in".. ... True players both PVP and PVE would gasp at the idea of someone being able to buy GEAR with RL money...


There is no more Hero's in this game, as the line between Pay and Time is blurred...

The True Gaming Hero is dead, and so is this "champion" for the cause of right !!!




Does this mean what you are really saying it's all about the size of someone's e-peen? E-peen or PLEX, e-peen or PLEX.

That's easy, PLEX wins anytime of the day.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#306 - 2013-06-28 21:35:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Franco Stein wrote:
I have grown tired.... I am going to biomass this toon... Mr. Franco will be no more after this post... rejoice!!!

But....... in closing........ you are all WRONG!!


and you all are truly " I shouldn't say, but" .... no I am not going to say it...... you're just blatantly wrong!


IF you really think that buying GEAR with real money is not a cheat, then this is your game.... and games like it.

In the old ways, players would have to EARN their GEAR in game doing Levels in both PVE/PVP battles and wait weeks to get that shinny "peace of fun".
That was GAMING, and everyone in the local chat knew who put the time in the game to get the rewards... he kicked butt on levels and was looked up to in a sense because he put the time in and was a patriarch of his little clan. People would ask him stupid questions like "how did you do it man, you just owned that guy"... Our Hero would smile and say " Just put the time in man, just put the time in".. ... True players both PVP and PVE would gasp at the idea of someone being able to buy GEAR with RL money...


There is no more Hero's in this game, as the line between Pay and Time is blurred...

The True Gaming Hero is dead, and so is this "champion" for the cause of right !!!

No, what you are missing is that we all prefer blowing up someone's stuff when they paid real money for it (thinking they were gaining an advantage).

The fact that they actually didn't gain any advantage makes it far more satisfying (not to mention amusing), and we don't have to wait for them to grind the ISK first.

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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#307 - 2013-06-28 23:37:48 UTC
Just wanted to drop a thankyou for Remiel Pollard and Kaarous Aldurald, was interesting to follow the debate.
Also, yay for honorable mentions of the Soziale Marktwirtschaft \o/
Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#308 - 2013-06-29 00:05:37 UTC
This thread in a nutshell:

A: "I have come to a conclusion about this game."

B: "Why do you think that?"

A: "This is my conclusion."

B: "Yes, but why?"

A: "This is my conclusion, if you don't accept it, you are wrong."

B: "Yes, but why?"

A: "I give up. If you still don't accept my conclusion, you are wrong. kthxbai"

And so, another pointless discussion endeth in EvE Online GD.

"…but now only one beacon of light survives.  A stubborn world that dared to defy Mintchip, Lord of the Lollipops."
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2013-06-29 00:08:49 UTC
Sir Mack Inawrex wrote:
This thread in a nutshell:

A: "I have come to a conclusion about this game."

B: "Why do you think that?"

A: "This is my conclusion."

B: "Yes, but why?"

A: "This is my conclusion, if you don't accept it, you are wrong."

B: "Yes, but why?"

A: "I give up. If you still don't accept my conclusion, you are wrong. kthxbai"

And so, another pointless discussion endeth in EvE Online GD.

And somehow it is still more professional and mature than a presidential debate.
Jeffrey Asher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#310 - 2013-06-29 00:13:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeffrey Asher
Franco Stein wrote:
[quote=Malcanis]


Edit - bad editing on my part, a post from OP:

In EVE, sure you can have a 150M SP dude, jump in a T3 -2Billion ISK rig, but don't think for a minute you're going to keep it!!! Nope, in a moment of Glory, that rig is toast... So you have to pluck down $50 buck or grind to get it back over the course of days or weeks if you don't have EVE as a Job..... That my friend is only ONE PVP experience where you lost your battle.....

I


But what kind of idiot is putting all their eggs in one basket, and PVP'ing with their one ship that then takes them weeks of grinding to re-buy? If you are doing that you are definitely playing the game wrong - don't fly what you can't afford to lose. And don't fly it unless you can afford to have 10 more docked and rigged, ready to go as soon as you respawn.

The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#311 - 2013-06-29 00:16:04 UTC
Quote:
And somehow it is still more professional and mature than a presidential debate.


https://www.youtube.com/results?num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=parliament%20brawl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=w1

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#312 - 2013-06-29 00:16:49 UTC
Sticky material.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#313 - 2013-06-29 03:46:33 UTC
Jeffrey Asher wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:
[quote=Malcanis]
Edit - bad editing on my part, a post from OP:

In EVE, sure you can have a 150M SP dude, jump in a T3 -2Billion ISK rig, but don't think for a minute you're going to keep it!!! Nope, in a moment of Glory, that rig is toast... So you have to pluck down $50 buck or grind to get it back over the course of days or weeks if you don't have EVE as a Job..... That my friend is only ONE PVP experience where you lost your battle..... I

But what kind of idiot is putting all their eggs in one basket, and PVP'ing with their one ship that then takes them weeks of grinding to re-buy? If you are doing that you are definitely playing the game wrong - don't fly what you can't afford to lose. And don't fly it unless you can afford to have 10 more docked and rigged, ready to go as soon as you respawn.

But navy apocs make the evil goonies run away.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#314 - 2013-06-29 04:09:44 UTC
Plex is an excellent way to raise capital, so that you can buy stuff, for us to take from you when you blow up, so that we have isk to buy plex from you, so that you have capital, for you to buy stuff, for us to take, to get isk, to buy plex.

It's like people are giving us free game-time after we take their in-game items, which we sell back to them, to buy plex from them for them to buy items, for us to take and buy plex with, so they can get items for us to take.

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Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#315 - 2013-06-29 04:20:35 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Plex is an excellent way to raise capital, so that you can buy stuff, for us to take from you when you blow up, so that we have isk to buy plex from you, so that you have capital, for you to buy stuff, for us to take, to get isk, to buy plex.

It's like people are giving us free game-time after we take their in-game items, which we sell back to them, to buy plex from them for them to buy items, for us to take and buy plex with, so they can get items for us to take.

A cycle of subscription time.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#316 - 2013-06-29 07:07:08 UTC
Jeffrey Asher wrote:
But what kind of idiot is putting all their eggs in one basket, and PVP'ing with their one ship that then takes them weeks of grinding to re-buy? If you are doing that you are definitely playing the game wrong - don't fly what you can't afford to lose. And don't fly it unless you can afford to have 10 more docked and rigged, ready to go as soon as you respawn.


Oh, god, put that on the CCP front page as a recruitment feature for EvE. Roll

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#317 - 2013-06-29 11:38:57 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...


every plex in eve was bought by another player to sell for a quick shot of isk. No one is really playing for "free" they either invest USD or hours/days/weeks as thier payment time. Whatever happens, CCP is getting dollars paid to them for every increment of game time that is activated plexed or paypal'd.

Not to mention the plexes that dont even turn into game time and are cashed in for aurum and other 1 off plex for ?? deals CCP may have running - such as tournaments or plex for video cards.
Jeffrey Asher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2013-06-30 11:25:08 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Jeffrey Asher wrote:
But what kind of idiot is putting all their eggs in one basket, and PVP'ing with their one ship that then takes them weeks of grinding to re-buy? If you are doing that you are definitely playing the game wrong - don't fly what you can't afford to lose. And don't fly it unless you can afford to have 10 more docked and rigged, ready to go as soon as you respawn.


Oh, god, put that on the CCP front page as a recruitment feature for EvE. Roll



That aspect is one of the many things that has converted me to EVE from lesser MMOs. Smile

The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#319 - 2013-06-30 11:32:55 UTC
I payed to play EVE with real money for about 18 months, ever since then I have paid by plex, with isk. Why should I be made to pay real money? CCP get exactly the same amount of income from me as they do from someone who pays real money.

And yes, I would simply quit altogether if I was made to pay real money, I have sunk something like £250 or so into a game, most games, such as Skyrim or something I pay 30 odd quid for and can play forever without any more payment, apart from the occasional DLC which are optional. I can play Skyrim pretty much forever without any extra cash injection, why should Eve be different for those who want it to be that way? It doesnt affect you in any way shape or form.

Also PLEX isnt a 'new' thing, before plex we bought GTCs and they were far more beneficial a I used to buy a 90 day game time code for around 380 million isk as opposed to todays prices of around 1.5 billion for the same amount of gametime.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#320 - 2013-06-30 11:48:44 UTC
Hm both sides have some valid points.

If ur RL poor, grinding for isk to pay gametime is fine impo

Having a big phat RL wallet so u can just buy plexes, sell them for iskies and buy a fully grown toon + gear is defeating the purpose of playing impo What?

Then again, i'm a lil masochistic... i actually enjoy playing eve, earning my iskies INGAME, then build/buy stuff with it.

Sure i could just buy a plex or 2 then get me the new shiney toy i want... but whats the fun in that? Straight