EVE General Discussion

So, in the second example given, you are cheating a theoretical person out of a theoretical profit, simply by using a CCP approved transaction? Nevermind that if you go around walking on eggshells to not "cheat" theoretical people, you will never undock, but hey.

That's not cheating, you just got there first. However you got the money for it is irrelevant. You could just as easily have borrowed it from your corp. He who hesitates...

Now, in your first example. That is also not cheating, because the other person has the same method available to them as well. ou might call it a P2W style advantage, but nothing about it is unfair or exclusive to you. Nor does it in any way guarantee victory, especially at low skill levels where you cannot leverage as much of the bonuses of a faction ship.

It's also not cheating because this advantage is not permanently available to you. In EVE, there is item loss on death, as you would call it in other games. Just like your gear dropped in Ultima Online, in EVE your ship goes poof, and your mods may or may not make it out. Having more money in the short term than someone else isn't the massive advantage you make it out to be. Access to a far higher revenue stream is also not a guarantee of victory, you can still be outplayed, or beaten by a player with better skills.

Cheating is breaking the rules. In a game, this typically refers to getting around the limitations imposed by the game client in some way, in other words hacking. Do you think that buying PLEX is as bad as hacking?

in my examples I shouldn't have a way to add RL money to a game to get my rocks over another player who can't do the same..... Just because he has the right to buy ISK as well as I has no bearing when they do not have the means to do it in RL...

Tippia you are doing well to entertain in our banter.... you troll as well as l.

What do you think would happen if CCP did the following things.

1) Removed PLEX as a item completely from the game and did not replace it with something similar.
2) Limited the number of client apps that can load a single computer to just one.
3) Required that all accounts subscribe to the game or buy a non transferable GTC to actually add time to an account.

in my examples I shouldn't have a way to add RL money to a game

The cheat is the advantage to privilege, not the actual skill involved to win.

Remove plex and this game would die a horrible death, guaranteed. In a world where losses are real, you cannot keep the players who refuse to spend hours grinding to replace their losses, and you cannot keep the players who refuse to pay real money to maintain a monthly subscription. Take away the plex, and you will not be left with a sustainable playerbase that will help CCP Maintain and improve their product.

No, you had it right the first time, the socialist style policies.

Well, that, and this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Donora_smog

This "disaster" was what eventually caused the creation of the Environmental Protection Act, along with a number of bizarre and nonsensical restrictions on the steel and mining industries. Eventually, this lead to the death of American heavy manufacturing, and certainly crippled the economic activity of the East Coast. The price of automobiles, for instance, tripled (even taking inflation into account, their objective price tripled) due to the long term effects of the steel shortage. Which is why we have crappy plastic in our modern cars.

This one incident, never seen before or ever repeated again, due to a freak weather accident, caused the deaths of less than two dozen people. But in their name, we heedlessly destroyed millions of jobs, crippled several staple American industries, and created one of the biggest organizations of red tape and needless bureaucracy in human history, costing untold billions of dollars.

*slowclap*

Hmmm... I actually remember big steel collapsing. The reason they collapsed was the Japanese were producing huge sheets of flawless metal in robotic factories, and american steel was crappy and full of rust and other flaws. Nobody wanted it. Just FYI.

By the way, while you guys are talking about socialism vs capitalism, you should stop by a small country town and see what pure capitalism is, behold Wal-Mart, and nothing else. That is the end result of pure unrestricted capitalism.

No , there is a winner and everyone else is a loser, including the employees. In my town, there is a walmart and some odds and ends business that covers what walmart just won't sell. So the consumer has little choice (though I do have amazon.com) and that also goes for employment choices. The only thing you can really do is move.