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So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW - again?

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2013-07-01 14:27:30 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
That was actually what put me on the path to quitting WoW. We had someone dupe our GM into letting a thief into the corp and giving them bank access by claiming to be an officer alt. It sucked, but part of me cheered for the guy for being smart enough to put one over on a gullible person. The GM filed a ticket, the stuff was returned within 12 hours, and the person who committed the theft got banned.

I genuinely dislike the idea of protecting idiots from themselves.


You were ready to leave because you couldn't play by the rules. WoW has rules on scams and exploits.

I'm ready to leave over mechanics that changed what I came to play in the first place from EQII. Cata's 4.0.1 took all that was fun out of healing out, and replaced it with a gating mechanic, now I spend more time trying to generate holy power to heal, than healing itself. It's borked and NOT fun. I tried up and down to convince Blizzard that specialization is important, no, they want everyone to be able to do everything. Like folks are generic faceless pointmen. All that effort and time made worthless.

Just want 3.3.5 back (pristine servers), to tank heal, and to return to what was 24/7 25man raids...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX13vYvon6I

All I could do is wear my transmorg T10 hearthed in Dalaran and hope Blizzard comes to their senses. I'll gladly transfer my toon to a WotLK only realm and be happy, truly.

Until then play other games.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#142 - 2013-07-01 14:27:36 UTC
Lost True wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak! EvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvil

Well... For me, there's only one thing where i make something - Skillpoints.
PvE, PvP is pointless. I don't want to show anything in PvP(and what can i? Yet another KB profile). And PvE... Well, i'm not here to grind for isk. There's also some meaning to run missions - standings, but it's not enough and too boring.

So... most of the time i'm just switching skills, chatting, and rarely doing some stuff for a little.

It's kinda strange... I'm VERY LIKE EVE, i'm paying for it, i have a godlike characters, and i'm not planning to quit.... But when i want to play, i play Star Trek Online...


What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#143 - 2013-07-01 14:29:00 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?


Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#144 - 2013-07-01 14:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lost True
Malcanis wrote:
Lost True wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak! EvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvil

Well... For me, there's only one thing where i make something - Skillpoints.
PvE, PvP is pointless. I don't want to show anything in PvP(and what can i? Yet another KB profile). And PvE... Well, i'm not here to grind for isk. There's also some meaning to run missions - standings, but it's not enough and too boring.

So... most of the time i'm just switching skills, chatting, and rarely doing some stuff for a little.

It's kinda strange... I'm VERY LIKE EVE, i'm paying for it, i have a godlike characters, and i'm not planning to quit.... But when i want to play, i play Star Trek Online...


What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?


I don't want to think about all of those things, i'm just saying how it is. I said that it's strange... I like EVE, but not playing EVE :)
Maybe because it has PvE, maybe i've tired of grinding ISK.

Yes, there's many things you can do in EVE, but what will you do, if you don't want to PvP and don't need ISK(we're all want to make as high sp/hours-in-game as possible, right? $->plex->market have the best isk/hour)

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2013-07-01 14:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
As a CCP carebear fanboi I do believe eve came out first before wow, and had missions. So if anything blizzard copied CCP.


WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old.

Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began).


WoW is a variant of Everquest (Furor and Tigole LEFT Everquest to go work for Blizzard) using Warcraft's storyline.

Everquest came before Eve. Eve came before WoW.

Eve was one of like 5? 7? games that came out in that time that "threatened" EQ's existence. I remember trying Eve back then but I did not like the longterm mechanics at that time (I needed much more instant gratification) but have come to appreciate it now.

Not that I've been playing for 10 years or anything, only about 1, but I am a returning player since I don't like hardcore raiding and (anymore; kids dont allow the scheduling) do not feel the need to be on cutting edge of progression anymore.

Now Eve's meta-universe is very much enjoyable.

WoW and Eve are NOTHING alike. At, all.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2013-07-01 14:57:18 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
As a CCP carebear fanboi I do believe eve came out first before wow, and had missions. So if anything blizzard copied CCP.


WoW is a web version of the Warcraft series (I vanilla / II TBC / III WotLK) that came before even Ultima came online (the first MMO). When folks say it's old, it's old.

Only older MMO with pre-1996 internet presence would be DDO, with it's ties with D&D (now that's older than dirt, where the RPG all began).


Shocked

For those who don't understand why this is a troll, the off-line Warcraft series was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos. Unlike DDO, which tried to simulate the mechanics of paper and pencil D&D, I really don't think you can state that WoW took anything from a series of RTS games except the IP. The games Mr. Troll listed as "came before even Ultima came online" are the original WoW that came out in 2004, and expansions that came out in 2007 and 2008. And really, UO was the first MMORPG? Try Meridian 59.

For the gameplay of WoW itself, it was influenced heavily by Everquest. So much so that Blizzard was even hiring leaders of major EQ guilds in an effort to lure EQ players to WoW. What WoW did was polish up the existing MMORPG features and present something that players liked without all the bad stuff in EQ that mad players rage-quit and unsubscribe.

But since he got Malcanis, I give this troll 10/10.



Bah, saw this quote right after I wrote my post =(

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2013-07-01 15:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Murk Paradox
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Eve would be closer to older Everquest than WoW since factions have a =/- element to it based on your actions.


WoW was made with the help of 2 EQ raid leaders. ;)

There's some hat tips in WoW to the game as well (let alone the human starting world resembles EQ/EQII's starting areas).

Who knows there might be some to EvE one day (and that's possible if Blizzard keeps returning to TBC themes -- they have space goats that crashed landed on Azeroth and their story is still not filled out).



Yea when I was in Blades of Wrath we molded our raiding based off of FOH's tactics. We even fought them a few times in BOTB over a few years.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2013-07-01 15:05:25 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
That was actually what put me on the path to quitting WoW. We had someone dupe our GM into letting a thief into the corp and giving them bank access by claiming to be an officer alt. It sucked, but part of me cheered for the guy for being smart enough to put one over on a gullible person. The GM filed a ticket, the stuff was returned within 12 hours, and the person who committed the theft got banned.

I genuinely dislike the idea of protecting idiots from themselves.


You were ready to leave because you couldn't play by the rules. WoW has rules on scams and exploits.

I'm ready to leave over mechanics that changed what I came to play in the first place from EQII. Cata's 4.0.1 took all that was fun out of healing out, and replaced it with a gating mechanic, now I spend more time trying to generate holy power to heal, than healing itself. It's borked and NOT fun. I tried up and down to convince Blizzard that specialization is important, no, they want everyone to be able to do everything. Like folks are generic faceless pointmen. All that effort and time made worthless.

Just want 3.3.5 back (pristine servers), to tank heal, and to return to what was 24/7 25man raids...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX13vYvon6I

All I could do is wear my transmorg T10 hearthed in Dalaran and hope Blizzard comes to their senses. I'll gladly transfer my toon to a WotLK only realm and be happy, truly.

Until then play other games.

You can't tell me that the Beacon->holy light spam was more interesting than what replaced it. For the love of god, my 2 key was all but broken. It also made Ret more than a "smash all buttans, doesn't matter which activate because FCFS" and prot more than 969. Yeah, I played all three paladin specs, and actually wished they would introduce tri-spec, right after dual-spec came in. /spoiled

That said, I was gone before the patch came that started the Kung-Fu Panda/Neopets/Pokemon expansion. I didn't leave because of the rules, that was just the starting point. I left because, well, Kung-Fu Panda/Neopets/Pokemon, plus they kept dumbing down the gear/skill options.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2013-07-01 15:07:02 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Guild Banks.

I've "awoxed" quite a few guilds in my day in WoW. You'd be suprised how many enchantment recipes and stacks of gems were considered important at one time.

(This is all pre 3.0 since WOTLK and forward has since made me quit the game).


Can still do that, but the Guild Master can just send in a ticket to have the bank reset (thieving like that isn't tolerated).

The worst isn't even that it's ninjaing a rare mount like the ashes or the blades from Tempest Keep (extremely low % drop). THAT would cause bad blood. Usually GMs don't get involved in player disputes -- which is also why in LFR and in 5.4 the new "mid" raids have goodie bags for loot (no more master looter tomfoolery).

So if you want to be a criminal in WoW what's left is ninjaing and paying $10 for a name change. But if someone recognizes you again after stealing something like the ashes...remember Blizzard had a death threat notice stickied in their general forums...



I remember people selling a flour for 10gold and other nonsense. I never did that but remember it... those people fit our Eve world just fine =)

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#150 - 2013-07-01 15:07:51 UTC





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"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2013-07-01 15:08:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:


Shame on you for using a Worg as a WoW referrence while mentioning D&D in the same post!

Take it back take it back!


Shame on you for suggesting they originated in D&D

and not Tolkien



That's where D&D came from =)

Not that I'm saying they ORIGINATED from there... but mentioning the 2 in the same breath is a no-no =P

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Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-07-01 15:10:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?


Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE

I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it...

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#153 - 2013-07-01 15:12:30 UTC
Lost True wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?


Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE

I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it...




Plus points: Miranda Class as starter ship. It uses Star Fleet Battles as a basis for its combat. It has WiS.

Against: Most people make the starter ship look terrible by changing its look. There's lots of things in STO that arent in Star Trek. Its set in Rick Berman's Ruined Universe TM. My PC wont run it. It has WiS.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2013-07-01 15:13:01 UTC
Lost True wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


What meaning are you finding in ST:O that you don't find in EVE?


Maybe he finds the mandatory XP Grind for crew in STO different from the optional rep grind in EvE

I'm not saying that STO is super-interesting or the best MMO ever... It has a lot of issues, there's a lot of reasons why EVE is much better. I'm just found it more interesting to spend my time in it...



I play quite a few different games. Noone is saying you need to play just 1 game, or even 1 game of a specific genre.

To each their own.

Just, it's the players that define what game is what and why each game is a separate entity.

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#155 - 2013-07-01 15:15:17 UTC
EVE really isn't a PVE game .... maybe it has added a tiny bit more , PVE but any try to look at it's PVE as a quality check on the game entirely misses the larger context in which the "undesired" element sits... the portions of the game are not compartmentalized... the standings thing effects your other portions of the game by design.

EVE does put little red boxes in space are just ways for work a day players to get ISK generated out of no - where and put in their accounts so I can take it from them trading. Making money pop from no where is PVE

The sec status and standing mechanics are a bit clumsy. It never has been the center of the game and is just there to add a few pivot points by having consequences for one choice or another. The consequences work.

No, don't go finding tags.... find ways to make isk to buy the tags.. ways you might enjoy. Research other ways to get standing as you are doing HERE ... TALKIing to other PLayers on forums etc is PART of EVE. You need to talk to people. (via typing conversation or verbal conversation) ... nothing is laid out for players who can't find a way to converse with others and get pointed to where they can learn more incrementally.

In the end it is primarily a Group PvP experience where things like standing are just little thorns in the road to keep you always on your toes wherever you walk.

There is single player PvP in the markets. No, you don't need to kill another players character to have it be pvp. In a board game PvP was either the fighting type.. like a 12 year old landing his piece on top of the others in "Sorry" or "Trouble" and sending his little buddies piece to start again from zero. Or rolling the dice and buying the Oranges in Monopoly , building Motels on them and taking all the other players money when they land on your pieces by charging them rent.

---

With the othwer game, WoW has evolved from a PVE game to a guided tour.... sort of like a Disneyland Wild Jungle Boat Ride.

That's not all bad.. its like being in a Star Wars or Raiders of the last Arc button and being able to spam some buttons that might help the hero make it through the movie.

You keep watching the same scene of the movie until your section of the theater mashes the buttons adequately and then you get given a Purple sticker for one of your 16 spots on your name card. If it takes a few weeks of re watching the movie they start maing the button mashing easier and they give more stickers out other ways (its easier to get through with more stickers)

.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#156 - 2013-07-01 15:44:32 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
Raiders of the last Arc



LOST ARK

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2013-07-01 15:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
You can't tell me that the Beacon->holy light spam was more interesting than what replaced it. For the love of god, my 2 key was all but broken.


When I was healing ICC everything was used even DI. Get a stamina stacking tank that isn't geared or knew about using CDs well, it's pulling like 43% of all the healing in a freaking 25man raid. I never had the luxury of "endless mana" (base MP5 with GS 6000+ gear was under 300; raid buff a tad over 600) or just Holy Light spamming.

Besides, it was at the minimum 3 keys: Beacon with 1min timer | Sacred Shield with a 1min timer | Holy Light. But the real healing was all that and Holy Shock; Cleansing (a-l-o-t of it in WotLK); Hand of Sacrifice; Divine Plea; popping wings during hero.

So if you two buttoned healed you weren't the raid anchor (lead tank healer). 10mans if not the lead healer, possibly.

It's why I liked WotLK healing. Mess up, it's a wipe. A healer had to be on the ball, not drunk or on drugs. In Cata, after all those healing changes, you can goto sleep and still save the raid (Dragon Soul was the worst raid ever in WoW), and it had the one button spam called Holy Radiance. Pure boring healing. It's the same in MoP. I even don't bother to do LFR, so boring I'd rather log out and read the news. Ugh

PvP healing was the last thing left for me that still required fast and furious healing. 5.3 PvP changes, not worth it. 5.4 I can't tell, but doubt much will change, as the basic mechanics are unchanged from Cata.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2013-07-01 16:12:58 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
You can't tell me that the Beacon->holy light spam was more interesting than what replaced it. For the love of god, my 2 key was all but broken.


When I was healing ICC everything was used even DI. Get a stamina stacking tank that isn't geared or knew about using CDs well, it's pulling like 43% of all the healing in a freaking 25man raid. I never had the luxury of "endless mana" (base MP5 with GS 6000+ gear was under 300; raid buff a tad over 600) or just Holy Light spamming.

Besides, it was at the minimum 3 keys: Beacon with 1min timer | Sacred Shield with a 1min timer | Holy Light. But the real healing was all that and Holy Shock; Cleansing (a-l-o-t of it in WotLK); Hand of Sacrifice; Divine Plea; popping wings during hero.

So if you two buttoned healed you weren't the raid anchor (lead tank healer). 10mans if not the lead healer, possibly.

It's why I liked WotLK healing. Mess up, it's a wipe. A healer had to be on the ball, not drunk or on drugs. In Cata, after all those healing changes, you can goto sleep and still save the raid (Dragon Soul was the worst raid ever in WoW), and it had the one button spam called Holy Radiance. Pure boring healing. It's the same in MoP. I even don't bother to do LFR, so boring I'd rather log out and read the news. Ugh

PvP healing was the last thing left for me that still required fast and furious healing. 5.3 PvP changes, not worth it. 5.4 I can't tell, but doubt much will change, as the basic mechanics are unchanged from Cata.

Nah, whenever I healed, it was because we didn't have anyone else around to do it. I was maintank for my ICC10 group, and secondary for the ICC25. Didn't get shoved completely into the ret role until near the end of Cata, because we had ******** dps who screwed up a lot on the Ultraxion HM25 encounter, so they had me go ret since I could function as competent dps as well as an explosion soak.

You never healed DS25HM did you? Especially if/when you were having to be a mobile healer during that godawful fight with all of the tentacles and eyestalks and ****, and in relatively crap gear because you were progression raiding? You'll have to forgive me for not remembering raid boss names from over a year and a half ago. Don't even get me started on that annoyance that way the actual 2 part DW encounter on HM25. Listening to our lead healer about to pull his hair out over some of the screw ups people were making was fairly hilarious.
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#159 - 2013-07-01 16:57:41 UTC
I always said tags were a bad idea, a WoW-ification, if you will, of Eve. Nobody ever listens to me. I thought it was due to the lessening of consequences, since consequences is what makes Eve great. Apparently it induces WoW-like grinding as well.

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LinkNet
#160 - 2013-07-01 17:00:59 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
I always said tags were a bad idea, a WoW-ification, if you will, of Eve. Nobody ever listens to me. I thought it was due to the lessening of consequences, since consequences is what makes Eve great. Apparently it induces WoW-like grinding as well.


Malcanis wrote:


You're aware that those tags aren't free, right?



What would you do
If you were asked to give up your tags for freedom?
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice?

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had?
Would you think about all them Fountain War Vets
And would you start to feel bad?

Tags ain't free
They costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Tags ain't free
No, there's a hefty in' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for tags?
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little ***?
'Cause the only reason that you're here
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Tags ain't free
They costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Tags ain't free
Now there's a hefty in' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Tags cost a buck 'o five

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