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So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW - again?

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2013-06-29 14:00:08 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
For those who don't understand why this is a troll, the off-line Warcraft series was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos.


Which represented: Warcraft 1 = vanilla; Warcraft 2 = TBC; Warcraft 3 = WotLK in WoW.

That I have to point that out means, you know you're trolling.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#122 - 2013-06-29 14:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rosewalker
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
For those who don't understand why this is a troll, the off-line Warcraft series was Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos.


Which represented: Warcraft 1 = vanilla; Warcraft 2 = TBC; Warcraft 3 = WotLK in WoW.

That I have to point that out means, you know you're trolling.


You're really good at twisting words, Mr. Troll. I wasn't aware of the connection until you just pointed it out P So with that I'll leave you to protecting your bridge.

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#123 - 2013-06-29 14:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
EVE is nothing like WoW. Gallentians don't resemble elves and their love for nature and green colors, Minmatar don't resemble brutal Orcs, Caldari aren't pale as humans and Amarr have nothing in common with gold-loving dwarfs.

Capacitor batteries aren't mana pots and shield boosters / armor reppers aren't healing spells.

Off-grid boosters aren't druids / shamans with buffs.

Recons aren't warlocks with debuffs.

Logis aren't priests.

See - EVE is completely original game. I don't know how could you find any parallels with WoW.
Krazynikomo
Perkone
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-06-29 14:30:00 UTC
I like how OP hates grinding missions, but still grinds missions, instead of going and shooting at people or something.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#125 - 2013-06-29 14:34:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Uoweme
Lipbite wrote:
EVE is nothing like WoW. Gallentians don't resemble elves and their love for nature and green colors, Minmatar don't resemble brutal Orcs, Caldari aren't pale as humans and Amarr have nothing in common with gold-loving dwarfs.


I actually made my main toon after Amarr for not only looking similar to my WoW main, the Amarr religious background matches a paladin to a tee. Lol

Oh, and since the Orcs are put in concentration camps anyway, the slave trade isn't much different. It could be worse though, they could become Death Knights.

Horde Must Die. Twisted

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#126 - 2013-06-29 14:40:43 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
EVE is nothing like WoW. Gallentians don't resemble elves and their love for nature and green colors, Minmatar don't resemble brutal Orcs, Caldari aren't pale as humans and Amarr have nothing in common with gold-loving dwarfs.


I actually made my main toon after Amarr for not only looking similar to my WoW main, the Amarr religious background matches a paladin to a tee. Lol


Ah yes, slavery enforced by fatal residual poison, that well known foundation of the Paladin's lifestyle.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2013-06-29 15:11:33 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?


Sure...I can waste millions on buying tags - that is not the issue. The issue is I should have a reasonable alternative...not a sadistic, twisted, one....a reasonable one. That is not the case. You try and go collect the required tags needed for the Data Center missions and tell me it is reasonable.



You don't "HAVE" to fix your standings.

How much more reasonable can it get?

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2013-06-29 15:14:46 UTC
Eve would be closer to older Everquest than WoW since factions have a =/- element to it based on your actions.

But even then, the only thing that even resembles it is the fact you do have to grind. And that's to all MMOs since the consequences of your actions carry more weight than the crime itself.

Welcome to the life of consequential actions.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2013-06-29 15:27:40 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Eve would be closer to older Everquest than WoW since factions have a =/- element to it based on your actions.


WoW was made with the help of 2 EQ raid leaders. ;)

There's some hat tips in WoW to the game as well (let alone the human starting world resembles EQ/EQII's starting areas).

Who knows there might be some to EvE one day (and that's possible if Blizzard keeps returning to TBC themes -- they have space goats that crashed landed on Azeroth and their story is still not filled out).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#130 - 2013-06-29 15:33:23 UTC
Deano McCandless wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Sri Nova wrote:

but that really depends on how view things and unfortunately i am unable to see pass my own prejudice aginst wow.


When you play both games, you'll see they're not that much different in scope.

So when I see comments about WoW is easier, I know that's untrue from experience. Actual game play is harder in WoW, EvE has higher consequences. So they balance each other out on the difficulty meter.

Now on the crafting side...yeah, EvE is m-u-c-h more comprehensive. No cutting 20 stacks of gems by a mailbox deal in EvE.


How does one infiltrate a Guild in WoW, steal everything, close it down, make half a dozen players quit for life, and not only not get banned but get a big pat on the back by the GMs for original thinking?


I said to my mom I said "Hey, mom, what's up with all the sauerkraut?" And my dear, sweet mother She just looked at me like a cow looks at an oncoming train, and she leaned right down next to me and she said, "IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!!!"



Guild Banks.

I've "awoxed" quite a few guilds in my day in WoW. You'd be suprised how many enchantment recipes and stacks of gems were considered important at one time.

(This is all pre 3.0 since WOTLK and forward has since made me quit the game).

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2013-06-29 15:34:46 UTC
AndromacheDarkstar wrote:
I hate to say it but this guy does have a really good point. The grind for faction standings is completely ridiculous. I was part of amarr FW for about 6 months and still i somehow have almost -5 standings with the amarr empire.

THe lowest sec status i ever reached while living in low sec was -5.9 ( i never ground sec back up either ) and yet my standings with every single race in the game are at least -4.

The work required to fix that now in comparison to the new tag system for sec status just dosent make any sense and i really think the two need to be bought in line with eachother.



Theres an app for that. (Skill).

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2013-06-29 16:26:16 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Guild Banks.

I've "awoxed" quite a few guilds in my day in WoW. You'd be suprised how many enchantment recipes and stacks of gems were considered important at one time.

(This is all pre 3.0 since WOTLK and forward has since made me quit the game).


Can still do that, but the Guild Master can just send in a ticket to have the bank reset (thieving like that isn't tolerated).

The worst isn't even that it's ninjaing a rare mount like the ashes or the blades from Tempest Keep (extremely low % drop). THAT would cause bad blood. Usually GMs don't get involved in player disputes -- which is also why in LFR and in 5.4 the new "mid" raids have goodie bags for loot (no more master looter tomfoolery).

So if you want to be a criminal in WoW what's left is ninjaing and paying $10 for a name change. But if someone recognizes you again after stealing something like the ashes...remember Blizzard had a death threat notice stickied in their general forums...

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Fairren
HellrisCorp
#133 - 2013-06-29 17:08:01 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


You didn't know that when I was on the WoW forums, I was posting about the features like in EvE.


Links?

De'Veldrin wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:


The question I'd really like answered is this one:

If you dislike Eve as much as you appear to on the forums, why are you still playing it? I mean that seriously. Why are you subjecting yourself to a voluntary experience that you dislike that much? Do you also routinely volunteer for skin abrasions, public flogging, and being water boarded?



Been asking that question for years, and never once got answer let alone a rational one. I doubt you'll get answer as well.


I know. I never get an answer either. Usually just misdirection, an abrupt change of subject, or an ad hominem.

But I keep trying. Hope is a virtue, even when it chances to be misplaced.


It happened again...again.
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2013-07-01 13:50:19 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


The problem is people like you who go into other games and bascially beg for it to change into WoW. It's like you're the freaking borg of WoW (Worg?) or something.

Why can't you types leave us alone to love out hard core game while you ride the rides of your favorite theme park? Do we come into WoW and say Damn, this place needs Rifters, Cynos and hotdrops!!"?

Quote:

PR wise, you're not helping EvE.


EVE needs my help?

But you don't see, I and others like me ARE helping EVE by being EVE players and explaining to people what this game is, why it's unique, why it's cold, dark and harsh, and why it should always be that way, unlike the 1000s of thempark MMOs out there.

We help EVE by keeping the numbers of over-sensitive, over-indulged welfare/themepark crowd in EVE to an absolute minimum. Real EVE players are of a more hardy mental stock than most MMO gamers, able to take losses that would mentally crush your average gamers and shrug it off as merely "pixels" and the cost of doing business.

These are they kinds of people who should play EVE, the kinds of people we enjoy being around. The EVE community is like a local D&D gamer group writ large: (Mostly) serious gamers only.


Quote:

Time to take a chill pill, and just acknowledge the 800lb gorilla in the room exists, accept it and strive to make EvE at least equal in quality and performance (if anything Blizzard has is really good production standards, as they're the MMO leader and any slip they get chewed out for...which is why competition is healthy, especially for gamers as gamers get better games!).


Screw Blizzard and thempark MMOs and most gamers. Viva EVE (or EVE Libre....Libre it from these damn Wowbears) lol.



Shame on you for using a Worg as a WoW referrence while mentioning D&D in the same post!

Take it back take it back!

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#135 - 2013-07-01 13:52:45 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:


Shame on you for using a Worg as a WoW referrence while mentioning D&D in the same post!

Take it back take it back!


Shame on you for suggesting they originated in D&D

and not Tolkien

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2013-07-01 13:54:11 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

Can still do that, but the Guild Master can just send in a ticket to have the bank reset (thieving like that isn't tolerated).

The worst isn't even that it's ninjaing a rare mount like the ashes or the blades from Tempest Keep (extremely low % drop). THAT would cause bad blood. Usually GMs don't get involved in player disputes -- which is also why in LFR and in 5.4 the new "mid" raids have goodie bags for loot (no more master looter tomfoolery).

So if you want to be a criminal in WoW what's left is ninjaing and paying $10 for a name change. But if someone recognizes you again after stealing something like the ashes...remember Blizzard had a death threat notice stickied in their general forums...

That was actually what put me on the path to quitting WoW. We had someone dupe our GM into letting a thief into the corp and giving them bank access by claiming to be an officer alt. It sucked, but part of me cheered for the guy for being smart enough to put one over on a gullible person. The GM filed a ticket, the stuff was returned within 12 hours, and the person who committed the theft got banned.

I genuinely dislike the idea of protecting idiots from themselves.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#137 - 2013-07-01 13:56:34 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:


Shame on you for using a Worg as a WoW referrence while mentioning D&D in the same post!

Take it back take it back!


Shame on you for suggesting they originated in D&D

and not Tolkien


I gotta go even farther on you, and mention Vargr, the term for the dread hounds, sons of Fenrir the spawn of Loki.

Norse, baby!

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#138 - 2013-07-01 13:59:14 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

WoW.

our GM

the corp

bank access

officer alt.

The GM filed a ticket

I genuinely dislike the idea of protecting idiots from themselves.



This is how to make a mixed metaphor in the world of MMOs




But I agree, both in games and in that other game called RL those who are scammed


should go to jail because they are enabling criminal activity


Just like drug users

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Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#139 - 2013-07-01 14:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lost True
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak! EvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvil

Well... For me, there's only one thing where i make something - Skillpoints.
PvE, PvP is pointless. I don't want to show anything in PvP(and what can i? Yet another KB profile). And PvE... Well, i'm not here to grind for isk. There's also some meaning to run missions - standings, but it's not enough and too boring.

So... most of the time i'm just switching skills, chatting, and rarely doing some stuff for a little.

It's kinda strange... I'm VERY LIKE EVE, i'm paying for it, i have a godlike characters, and i'm not planning to quit.... But when i want to play, i play Star Trek Online...

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-07-01 14:22:16 UTC
I sold my wow accounts which paid for my first and almost 2nd year of EVE. Thank you blizzard.

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