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So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW - again?

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2013-06-27 13:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things.

Until just recently. I decided to join corp mates running missions.


So CCP forced you to decide to run missions instead of mining?

Sounds like a lot of butthurt hurf blurf derp derp "I didn't pay attention to the game mechanics before I started something I had never done before" to me.

If you want to improve your standings with the Gallente, train Diplomacy until you're no longer KOS to their navy and then go run Gallente missions.

You can even do MINING missions, which have a very low chance of screwing up your standings with anyone else.

tl;dr: This is your fault, not CCPs. Next time, become informed BEFORE making the decision.

Also, to answer the question from the OP: this is EXACTLY why Eve is the furthest thing from WoW. In Eve, your choices have long term consequences that will directly impact your play.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#62 - 2013-06-27 13:29:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I NOW SUMMON YE OH GREAT DEEPONE ACE UOWEME!! KALI MA! KALI MA! K'THULHU F'TANG!




You should be careful with that stuff

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-06-27 13:34:49 UTC
So, here you have WOW Bear

And there you have Eve Pirate

They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#64 - 2013-06-27 13:41:40 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
So, here you have WOW Bear

And there you have Eve Pirate

They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels.




PLUS

Neither are Candy Crush Saga

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#65 - 2013-06-27 13:49:14 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
So, here you have WOW Bear

And there you have Eve Pirate

They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels.




PLUS

Neither are Candy Crush Saga


Which has more players than both EVE and WOW combined! I demand we make EVE more like Candy Crush! If we're really serious about the game, CCP has to acknowledge that their business model is wrong in comparison to Candy Crush!

...

Psst, guess who I was imitating? :P

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#66 - 2013-06-27 13:51:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
So, here you have WOW Bear

And there you have Eve Pirate

They have both one thing in common amongst many others: pixels, it's all about pixels.




PLUS

Neither are Candy Crush Saga


Which has more players than both EVE and WOW combined! I demand we make EVE more like Candy Crush! If we're really serious about the game, CCP has to acknowledge that their business model is wrong in comparison to Candy Crush!

...

Psst, guess who I was imitating? :P



Shhh dont say that name, it may summon.... the unkind one





Well, the one that isn't me




"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#67 - 2013-06-27 13:56:35 UTC
Quote:
Shhh dont say that name, it may summon.... the unkind one





Well, the one that isn't me




I think this is applicable.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2013-06-27 14:06:22 UTC
Ohgod, not the "RAHRAH STANDINGS DON'T WORK PROPERLY!" thread again.

[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO

If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#69 - 2013-06-27 14:16:41 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
thinking.

THINKING?

Jenn aSide wrote:
thinking.

THINKING?!?!?!

Evil
Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2013-06-27 14:20:35 UTC
Liafcipe9000 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
thinking.

THINKING?

Jenn aSide wrote:
thinking.

THINKING?!?!?!

Evil


I have no idea what you are saying, but I'm thinking I agree.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-06-27 14:27:59 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?

Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

You're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.


Kudos to you for helping that person's lost soul. BTW, I'd no idea about this arc to fix standing. So I can understand. Not that my standing was ever messed up to the point I needed to fix it. A mentor told me long ago..."Do not run faction missions". It's a mantra I live by to this day. Thank God I live in w-space.

But many of you should understand that there are plenty of things about this game that people who've played for years don't know. Noone can know it all.

I will definitely file this in a note for those I run across that don't want to grind roid belts to increase standing.


Don't ban me, bro!
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-06-27 14:34:23 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?

Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

You're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.


Thank you! Big smile

BTW - as I said in one of my previous post - I primarily was a miner(Orca pilot)...did some transporting - that's it.


In the SoE epic arc Im over halfway through and everything dies really fast in a PVE fit Thrasher piloted with 1.3mil SPs.. .

My fit sits just under 140 DPS.

I've read that to solo Dagan at the end you need to do at least 100 DPS. I'm guessing I should be fine.

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#73 - 2013-06-27 14:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
This thread tells me that the EVE client is incomplete.

CCP should add a suite to the EVE client that searches a system that has EVE on it for any trace of another MMO (except ultima online...except trammel). If yes = force delete EVE client + explode hard drive just to make sure.
Steve WingYip
Doomheim
#74 - 2013-06-27 14:57:41 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak! EvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvil


Read the title and laughed. Thanks for todays mini entertainment.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#75 - 2013-06-27 15:01:31 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

Who is this Dagan you speak of? Where can I find him?

Go to the Arnon solar system, dock in the Sisters Of Eve station and get the first part of the arc from the agent Sister Alitura, the whole arc is somewhere between lvl 1 and lvl 2 mission difficulty, it's 50 missions in total but they're all quick and easy apart from Dagan, you should be able to do the whole thing in a destroyer or cruiser if your skills are up to scratch.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/The_Blood-Stained_Stars

You're hardly a newbie going by your character age, we shouldn't have to tell you these things.


Kudos to you for helping that person's lost soul. BTW, I'd no idea about this arc to fix standing. So I can understand. Not that my standing was ever messed up to the point I needed to fix it. A mentor told me long ago..."Do not run faction missions". It's a mantra I live by to this day. Thank God I live in w-space.

But many of you should understand that there are plenty of things about this game that people who've played for years don't know. Noone can know it all.

I will definitely file this in a note for those I run across that don't want to grind roid belts to increase standing.

The SOE arc is normally suggested by an agent at the end of the tutorials, which is why I assumed (DOH!) that people knew about it.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-06-27 15:19:48 UTC
I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.

WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...

IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!

So far I see the SkillQueue minigame as the only real grind. I'm parked in hisec carebearing my way to a few more million sheckles and then I'm off to better things.

TBH I don't see your point OP.

tl;dr: I can't believe were having a WoW vs EVE flamewar... please stop.

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-06-27 15:22:55 UTC
Tixam Quri wrote:
I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.

WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...

IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!


Huh?

You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?

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_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#78 - 2013-06-27 15:24:26 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.

WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...

IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!


Huh?

You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?

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I can see now why you need to hide in a noob corp

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-06-27 15:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.

WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...

IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!


Huh?

You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?

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I'm going to dispute the "equally" part of your statement. Eve is only a grindfest if you choose to make it one. There are plenty of people who play every day without grinding a single ISK, LP, or anything else. In Wow, if you want to advance, you HAVE to grind. You have to grind to get skills, you have to grind to get levels, you have to grind to get gear. And once you reach the end game you have to keep grinding to stay on top.

In Eve, you grind exactly as much as you CHOOSE to. That makes all the difference.

The question I'd really like answered is this one:

If you dislike Eve as much as you appear to on the forums, why are you still playing it? I mean that seriously. Why are you subjecting yourself to a voluntary experience that you dislike that much? Do you also routinely volunteer for skin abrasions, public flogging, and being water boarded?

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-06-27 15:31:08 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
I played WoW off and on for about 6 years.

WoW is one big ugly grindfest.... It's a themepark that guides each predictable step you take in agonizing redundancy...

IF EVE IS ANYTHING LIKE WOW I'M GETTING THE **** OUT NOW!


Huh?

You played WoW and hopped into another MMO that is equally grinding and claim if EvE became more like TBC you'll leave?

QuestionQuestionAttentionAttention



Maybe you should get the **** off my lawn and back into the sandbox?

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."