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why legion instead of tengu
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chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#41 - 2013-06-26 17:38:47 UTC
Shereza wrote:
That's just it, even after all the T2/T3 ships get rebalanced the legion shouldn't be the best ship in any role. T3 ships are supposed to be "jack of all, master of none" when it comes to ship design. It should be a good HAM boat, but not better than the sacrilege. It should be a good disruption boat, but not better than the curse or pilgrim. It should be a good laser boat, but not better than the zealot. It should do good work with gang links, but not be better than the damnation.



To be fair. A caracal is a better ham boat than a sacrilege.

It is a much better neut boat up close than a pilgrim and it can cloak. It is an amazing cloaky logistics boat along with the proteus, though it lacks a bonus to range like the Guardian. It's a really good HAM brawler as well who's guns cane be shut off by neuts. It can even do some nano silliness like the zealot for some of the truly weird out there. And of course you can always turn it into a boring heavy tank clone of a zealot if you want to.

However, if you fit a nullifier on it and it is not a boosting ship you can kiss both your tank, and damage goodbye.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#42 - 2013-06-26 17:56:12 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
It can even do some nano silliness like the zealot for some of the truly weird out there.


Hi!!!! Lol

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-06-26 19:10:31 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Ciyrine wrote:
Ive gotten that legion is worse at every task than some other ship out there. Im doing market speculation if u will. Im gambling that legion will get buffed when t3s get balanced. Since its going to take me months to get into the legion. By the time i can fly it it will probably be pretty good.

So if we ignore how ship 'x' can do it better. What is the legion supposed to do well? What build almost doesnt suck?


There's one good thing about the Legion, and that's an immense amount of powergrid with the Power Core Multiplier. With just faction items, no deadspace, in PvP you have enough grid to fit a 100mn AB and a 1600mm plate, or a 10mn MWD and two 1600mm plates, without grid mods.

The first option gives 750 DPS, 130,000 EHP, and 2,000 m/sec speed before gang mods/implants with the sig radius of a cruiser. The second gives 646 DPS, 200,000 EHP, and 1,800 m/sec speed before gang mods/implants. None of these fits need any kind of cap mods/booster so you have 3 mids to play with. You can fit web/scram/ECCM and be almost impossible to jam, or just fit dual web to really lock stuff down.

Tengu can't get anywhere close to this because of the gimped fitting stats, you can't fit 6 launchers and a MWD on a Tengu without running out of PG, let alone any shield extenders.

In PvE, nothing beats shield tanked ships, but that's not a problem with the Legion or Tengu, it's a problem with the absurdly overpowered nature of the Gist line of shield boosters. A Gistum A-type MSB and Pith X-type SBA on a Tengu results in an almost 10:1 ratio of shield boost:cap spent. No armor tanked ship can beat a 4:1 ratio on armor repaired:cap spent no matter how much isk you spend on them.

I have no idea whatsoever why they made the Gist boosters so good compared to every other shield booster and every armor repairer. The best faction MAR has a base of 360 repair for 180 cap. The best faction MSB has a base of 90 shield boosted for 60 cap. The best deadspace MAR has a base of 468 repaired for 180 cap. The best deadspace MSB has a base of 170 shield boosted for 38 cap. Going from a faction to a deadspace armor tank is a 30% increase in efficiency, going from a faction to a deadspace shield tank is a 298% increase in efficiency.....



Very much what this guys says here, yet some nerds fit Tengus full of extenders/invulns shield extender rigs no web no point and tell you it's op, yet they don't undock with in null for several jumps and pvp with or stay in groups in wh's because someone else is point ing stuff for them to hit F1.

Legion is an awesome ship to fly/have require huge amounts of skills and elite core certs to get the best out of it and on top looks really really great, the best looking of all.

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