Intergalactic Summit

OK seriously, I'm trying to stay away from this topic but...come on!!

A third topic? A THIRD? Do we REALLY need a THIRD??

The other discussions are by-and-for, respectively, Federal and Republic citizens. My intent in creating the one for Federal citizens was to allow us to discuss relations with the Republic without it devolving into the sort of fedo-throwing circus that these sorts of discussions always seem to devolve into. I imagine Havohej desired the same thing when he created the one for the Republic.

This is a discussion worth having, Anslo. If you disagree, stay out of it.

I would like to know why you think this is, pilot Morgan. While I agree that our two governments were close allies five years ago, this has certainly not been the case lately. Under Shakor, the Republic seems all too willing to throw the Federation under the shuttle - or dreadnaught, as the case may be.

We have over a century of history together, from our initial help with fueling the Rebellion's needs to the present. I don't see why we should allow the (admittedly outrageous) actions of one regime to make us throw away all the intermingling of peoples, cultures (yes, the Minmatar have had effects on our culture too not just the other way around) and ideals away. My family is an excellent example of this, my great-great-grandmother being one of the first Gallenteans to die in the struggle for our allies' freedom; with the intervening generations being almost all involved in the process of building the Republic as well

Bonds this deep are worth saving.

THANK YOU. All of my this.

OK so some nutter extremists came in and invaded. Not good. This doesn't mean the whole of the Republic backed this event. This doesn't mean every Matari is anti-Federation. But seriously, they didn't even get information about Midular til it was too late. We didn't meet them in the middle as an entity that is supposed to be a 'moral paragon' and leader in progressive thought.

We didn't reach across the celestial aisle despite their (justified) outrage and say, "Look, this is bad. Really bad. We get that you're angry, but we can't just go find and kill the guy or let you all come in and then we back off. But we know this means a lot to you. Send over your best investigators and security people, and let's work together side-by-side to bring this bastard to justice." See, IF we had done that instead of letting pompous, nationalist windbag politicians treat the Minmatar like children and just saying "no," as opposed to a people capable of LOGICAL REASONING, this whole thing could have been avoided.

AND THEN The Fed has the balls to say that this is ALL the Republic's fault. Is it in part their fault? Sure. Who the hell sends dreads over to an ally's space to get a criminal mid-trial or grab a lady in IC that might die if she moves? But the blame isn't just the Republic's...no, not the Republic. The extremists in the dreadnaughts. It's our fault too for being such stuck up political assholes. Plain and simple.

We're both at fault and loyalists on both sides are acting like school children yelling YOU STARTED IT, NU UH, YA HUH, NA UH.

For ****'s sake man. Both side's diplomats need to sit down and hammer this out. Preferably more worldly and exposed diplos from BOTH SIDES.

I could not agree more.

We should stop sniping arguments at each other and sit down and talk. I'm not a diplomat by far, my diplomacy reaches out mostly to asteroids, and they don't hold very good arguments against mining them.

We've clashed heads, this tends to wake people up. The good and the bad depending on your point of view.
Waking up is not necessarily a bad thing.

I don't believe I have much more to add to this topic, Anslo and Rioghal explained my points well. I agree that both sides didn't act as they should have been, but a single case does not warrant dismantling the alliance or a full-scale war. While I am an Intaki and not that involved with the Federation's politics, I would rather see both us and the Minmatar swallow our prides and sit down for a serious talk.

If it requires sanctions, reporcussions or other kind of punishment for either side or just one, it is an acceptable compromise. Realistically the best case scenario would have both sides apologizing for their acts officially, possibly with the Republic suffering some sanctions for a while. The worst case, open hostilities and full-scale war which neither side wants. I wish both governments can settle this peacefully, not just for their own sake, but for the civilians that would get hurt in a case of war.

I think part of the problem has been lack of such words from the Republic government. Unlike the Kadorian invasion of Federation space, which the Empress was quick to condemn and punish, there has been no indication from the Republic that this was anything other than a sanctioned military expedition. At the very least, if it was the act of a rogue commander, it was that of a commander very high indeed in the Republic military.

This is tied with what I have been saying: the Republic government needs to reach out and begin the healing process. The Federation has already made overtures by allowing the extradition to go through. It is now up to the Republic to denounce whoever was responsible for invading Federation space, provide aid to those Federations citizens affected by the attack, and make some appearance of ensuring that such an action is not a possibility in the future.

I will certainly agree that the Federation are overbearing, and that they treat cultures they do not understand or dislike as children. This is a valid issue that needs to be addressed. But given that what troubles the Republic is the Federation's attitude, and what troubles the Federation is whether their citizens on the Republic border can sleep safely at night, I do not think it is unfair to say that the more immediate concerns needs to be addressed first.

When looking at it through the Minmatar's eyes and seeing just how much of an insult it was to deny info on a Ray of Matar, I can see why they'd be that pissed off. Doesn't justify what they did, but that doesn't give us a get-out-of-jail pass.


Yeah, you're right. It wasn't a full scale, Republic backed invasion. And yes, they should apologize, and yes there should be reparations or sanctions or..hell both.

However, the Fed STILL screwed up with its own actions. Give respect to earn respect. While what the rogue forces did was blatantly wrong and evil, that doesn't give we Gallente the right to talk down to them and trash their beliefs and values, not by a long shot.


As long as the Fed tosses a my bad in about stone walling them so badly before hand, I agree 100%.


It's not the attitude that's the issue. The attitude was the catalyst, the insult to their people was the product the Minmatar take issue with.

:Error: