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New Navy Battlecruisers.
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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#1 - 2013-06-25 00:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: destiny2
So was playing with eft, and browseing fits over the new navy battlecruisers, and they dont seem all to great,
altho other players may have different views on them, fits they use.

if any of you have fits you use for them that work please share Big smile
DRGaius Baltar
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-25 01:17:04 UTC
Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03
Erok Careynah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-25 01:20:44 UTC
Compared to many of the faction cruisers, the new Navy BC's are trash. I don't see many people flying them. You may aswell fly a Battleship for that kind of ISK.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#4 - 2013-06-25 01:21:38 UTC
DRGaius Baltar wrote:
Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03


indeed and the new drake is pretty horrible. same with harbinger, only one that seem'd to show promise was the navy brutix.
Erok Careynah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-06-25 01:23:41 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
DRGaius Baltar wrote:
Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03


indeed and the new drake is pretty horrible. same with harbinger, only one that seem'd to show promise was the navy brutix.


We shouldn't forget that the camo textures look absolutely horrible on the Drake and the Hurricane's camo is so vague you can't even really notice a difference. If they looked cooler, people might actually fly them, but I'd argue that the Navy Drake looks worse than the standard Drake and the Hurricane doesn't even have a noticeable difference.

I don't know about you but I would pay 300mil to fly a matte black Hurricane.
Erok Careynah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-25 01:25:52 UTC
Erok Careynah wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
DRGaius Baltar wrote:
Fact of the troll is we are paying 300mil+ for the old hurricane..... CCP Working as intended since '03


indeed and the new drake is pretty horrible. same with harbinger, only one that seem'd to show promise was the navy brutix.


We shouldn't forget that the camo textures look absolutely horrible on the Drake and the Hurricane's camo is so vague you can't even really notice a difference. If they looked cooler, people might actually fly them, but I'd argue that the Navy Drake looks worse than the standard Drake and the Hurricane doesn't even have a noticeable difference.

I don't know about you but I would pay 300mil to fly a matte black Hurricane.


Harbinger looks okay, I guess, but personally I would've chosen a different color scheme. Maybe white/maroon like some of the other Amarr ships.
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#7 - 2013-06-25 01:31:18 UTC
their sure not worth their selling price can picture them in the 80 mill area. but not the hundreds of million.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-25 01:39:43 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
their sure not worth their selling price can picture them in the 80 mill area. but not the hundreds of million.



Even 80M it's not worth the buck.

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#9 - 2013-06-25 01:54:10 UTC
A nice thing about the Navy Harbinger is you can actually fit a very good shield tank (considering its an armour tanking ship) then have great dps, great damage projection and good speed.

I have to agree though, the Navy Hurricane is pretty much the pre-nerf Hurricane, the description even tells you that.

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Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-25 01:56:32 UTC
They all have more HP, are more agile, and are faster. The Nbrutix Ndrake and Nharbi all have bonuses for better damage application while the fcane is really just a straight upgrade and they all have an extra slot. The Nharbi can fit a near battleship tank and the ndrake has the advantage of working with any damage type (while not better at kinetic damage then the T1).

I agree the price increase doesn't seen worth it, but they are a pretty good upgrade imo.

They also all have fantastic skins.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#11 - 2013-06-25 02:15:50 UTC
It's possible that CCP will adjust the price in the future, if these aren't seeing enough use.

That said, the real win on this will be when the cost of T2 starts to drift up as the ship overstock is steadily used up. I believe we'll see more and more navy ships, BC's and otherwise, being used in large scale fights.

Of course, the more the ship is used, the higher it's price will be, as this means that the LP rewards are more valuable. Shame how that works.

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#12 - 2013-06-25 02:33:51 UTC
Joelleaveek wrote:
They all have more HP, are more agile, and are faster. The Nbrutix Ndrake and Nharbi all have bonuses for better damage application while the fcane is really just a straight upgrade and they all have an extra slot. The Nharbi can fit a near battleship tank and the ndrake has the advantage of working with any damage type (while not better at kinetic damage then the T1).

I agree the price increase doesn't seen worth it, but they are a pretty good upgrade imo.

They also all have fantastic skins.


ahem standard drake with 6 T2 heavy missile launchers t2 light hob II's and 3 Ballistic controls out dps's the navy drake by 46 dps,

the navy drake may get 8 launchers, but the reg drake usually out dps's it. for 3 quarters the price.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#13 - 2013-06-25 03:05:22 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Joelleaveek wrote:
They all have more HP, are more agile, and are faster. The Nbrutix Ndrake and Nharbi all have bonuses for better damage application while the fcane is really just a straight upgrade and they all have an extra slot. The Nharbi can fit a near battleship tank and the ndrake has the advantage of working with any damage type (while not better at kinetic damage then the T1).

I agree the price increase doesn't seen worth it, but they are a pretty good upgrade imo.

They also all have fantastic skins.


ahem standard drake with 6 T2 heavy missile launchers t2 light hob II's and 3 Ballistic controls out dps's the navy drake by 46 dps,

the navy drake may get 8 launchers, but the reg drake usually out dps's it. for 3 quarters the price.

You gain fully selectable damage, flexibility, and speed.

Not my cup of tea, but there are a lot of people willing to sacrifice the money and the 46dps for the ability to stay out of range better and more importantly freely pick their damage type.

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Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-06-25 03:21:05 UTC
The Navy BC's are like putting a $3,000 stereo system in a car you paid $800 for. Just. Why. Arrow
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-06-25 03:43:29 UTC
Erok Careynah wrote:
We shouldn't forget that the camo textures look absolutely horrible on the Drake


Note to the art department: digital cammo on a ship that already has the appearance of 3D digital cammo does not fit.

The price and looks, to me, doesn't justify getting that ship. Regular Drake is around 50mil and almost anyone can build it with but a couple hours of mining.

It's ease to obtain, good tank, decent firepower and one of least weird looking Caldari ship designs makes the Drake popular...not some cammo or a couple extra launchers (you could have 3 regular Drakes for the price of one naval Drake...220mil more for 3 extra launchers and 3k shield? Heck, no just fly a battleship then and do more DPS and have ungodly EHP).

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Fenix Caderu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-06-25 03:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Fenix Caderu
I'll probably trade in the navy drake for a BS, but after trying it out I think I see some uses for it (pvp)...

With max skills and HAMs, maybe some rigor rigs, you can get the radius down to around 50m. 475dps with faction ammo, just launchers. This should work well against drones, especially heavies (maybe not W2s due to ammo speed, but fit webs)...anti-drone ship?

Max skills and HMLs, maybe some range rigs, can get over 100k range and the missiles do over 9k m/s. Anti-inty, anti-stealth bomber maybe?

Less DPS, but selectable damage and more range, which helped a lot in PVE. But yeah, a bit pricey unless you have some special use for it I guess.
Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#17 - 2013-06-25 03:46:52 UTC
If you are a competent PvPer you can clearly see the draw of the Navy BCs. They provide some very attractive bonuses, especially for those that solo. And the price will lower to around 150 mil or so. Give it time.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#18 - 2013-06-25 03:48:59 UTC
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220mil more for 3 extra launchers and 3k shield?


But that's not what you're paying for. You're paying for almost the same number of effective turrets with any damage type, something a Drake typically struggles with.

Basically you're paying that much to be able to mission worth a damn against something besides Guristas and Serpentis.

Besides, if people can afford it, and find it worth the cost, then so what? Use what you feel is most appropriate. Time and the market will tell.

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Anderson Footman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-25 07:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Anderson Footman
It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.

The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-06-25 13:34:32 UTC
The normal drake will only outdamage the navy drake in a tiny set of circumstances.

1. The target has a very large sig radius.
2. The target has kinetic as its lowest resist.

Feel free to point at all the current doctrine ships where these 2 hold.
EFT numbers and actual damage application are very different things.

This isn't even the first thread on this topic. It has been asked and answered over and over again.
The Navy versions have FAR better damage application than the standard versions especially against smaller/faster targets.
Typically they have higher EHP, velocity etc as well.

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