EVE New Citizens Q&A

Marmaduke Hatplate, Lolsec Hero here, wondering if I'm the only one mining in losec.

I thought I'd take my venture into losec because hisec wasn't paying enough. Plus, you know, the thrill!

So I jump into a 0.3 system and find Jaspet. Mm, nom nom, 500ISK a shot, lovely.

After a few trips I'm discovered, Ka-Boom! Overheads, right?

Another Venture, another venture into losec. This time, i figure I'll go DEEPER! Lower sec means rarer ore, surely!

I jump through a few gates until it's really quite dark (someone should sell black ventures, not these 'shoot me' yellow ones), and I'm in a -0.2 system. I zip around from belt to belt, chatting in priv to my friend who's back in hisec:

'I'm alive. Only 4 others in local'
'No special ore though. Jaspet. Moving on'
'Next belt is [linked to belt]. Bah, just Jaspet and rats. Going to next one'

Then I notice I've been posting in local instead of priv. Oops. I warp to a new system, and nobody stops me. Too busy laughing their asses off, probably :D

In the next system, which I think was -0.3, I searched a few more belts and again only found Jaspet, veld and other commons, and rats, but no miners.

My final jump landed me in some weird bubbly stuff, and shortly afterwards I was an asteroid myself lol.

It was a fun run, but I was surprised that nobody was mining. Does it just not happen in losec because it's too dangerous?

Or is it happening somewhere more controlled?

Small point of note: web insta-warping only works if you're webbed after you initiate warp (or even a split second before), not when you've already been webbed for a while, and certainly not when you're already moving.

The prerequisites for entering warp are 1) your speed is about 75-100% of your top speed, and 2) your velocity vector is pointing towards the intended destination. When you start warping from a standstill, #2 is already fulfilled (since there's no angular acceleration to change what direction you're flying). Being webbed modifies your maximum speed, which can mean that your ship suddenly finds itself within warp parameters, and instantly warps.

Adding some numbers... A Mackinaw has a top speed of 100 m/s and an align time of 12.3 seconds. This means that its linear acceleration (from 0 to 75 m/s) is about 7 m/s^2. So, it sees trouble, starts aligning, and four seconds into the align, it gets webbed. At this point, the Mack was going 28 m/s -- far from the 75 m/s required to warp. The web reduces the ship's max speed by 60% (T2 web) to 40 m/s. This means that the new "warp speed" is 30 m/s. Closing the 2 m/s gap is easy, and the Mackinaw instantly warps off upon being webbed, having had a 4 second align time instead a 12 second one.

Had the Mackinaw been already webbed before this, the 12.3 second align time would still be the same. The only difference to situation above would be a slower top speed, which means that instead of accelerating at 7 m/s^2 for 12.3 seconds to get to 100 m/s, it will accelerate at 3.25 m/s^2 for 12.3 seconds to get to 40 m/s.

tl;dr: a lot of numbers about why a web needs to be applied during aligning for it to be a warp aid.

Also, if you plan to go around lowsec, know how to use your directional scanner. Even without a web, 12 seconds can be ample time to get out when you see a threat approaching (though it does cut it a bit close).

edit: never mind, he wasn't in lowsec.

Apparently it does still exist, because I just killed an Orca and two Hulks who were mining in my lowsec system.

I sometimes mine worthwhile ore sites in a PvP-fit Procurer in an active Faction War area (low-sec). I just make sure I have some friends nearby to kill whatever I can't (which is anything other than brawling frigates and destroyers).

-0.2 is NOT low-sec.

It's nullsec

And in that low truesec. Nobody mines the normal belts but the hidden grav sites that come with SOV.

Pretty sure he's talking about stacking webs (and applying top-speed-destroying modules) to the point that even set at 50% speed or so you only creep along at a few meters a minute, so you can get a few mining cycles in while aligned before moving out of range of your rock.