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Skinnable UI?

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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#21 - 2013-07-03 19:40:51 UTC
The more you expose the inner workings of the UI as modifiable by the client, the easier you make it to bot the game.

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-07-03 20:02:32 UTC
Xeraphi wrote:
What would you all like to see in a fully skinnable ui?


In WoW I use...

Dominos (action bars - no more Blizzard bottom bar)
Masque (buttons - Still have to design a template to match guild colors)
Pitbull (avatar and target boxes - guild colors + 3D animated avatar)
Tidy Plates (aggro and better looking attack bars - guild colors)
TipTac (hovers - guild colors)
Vuhdo (heal box - fully customizable replacement for raid frames).

Used to use Quartz for the casting bar and buff notifications, but Vuhdo does that already and has become too bloated.

Ingame scrolling stats instead of Power Auras, since my class already glows enough as it is.

So yeah, since I can fully customize the UI in WoW, would like the opportunity in EvE.

What I like to see is the ability to colorize all these spreadsheets, and not just the title bars and backgrounds. Would like to colorize the line if an enemy shows up, and not be reduced to 8bit colors. Like my WoW guild colors to show in EvE, very particular of that color scheme as it matches every color used without clashing.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Xeraphi
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-07-04 14:55:44 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The other thing about creating custom UI. It makes writing Bots /significantly/ easier.


Skinning isn't the same as modding, or at least doesn't have to be.

New target lock death animation problem #1 ^ eye strain and pain Temporary workaround found to one of these.

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-07-04 15:22:35 UTC
Lykouleon wrote:
The more you expose the inner workings of the UI as modifiable by the client, the easier you make it to bot the game.


If someone is that hell bent to make a bot, nothing will stop them. They'll reverse engineer the game if need be.

Changing the UI itself doesn't make a game more "bottable", because the API doesn't function like that. It's not an .exe file that can be hacked even (so it's totally safe to even use). In games like WoW it must not interfere with the game itself, so if you delete the file, nothing about WoW itself will be changed. It'll revert to the original design.

I use Dominos to replace the Blizzard button bars. If I removed the addon, presto the Blizzard bar returns. If there's an addon that interferes with how Blizzard wants the game to play (like that addon that allowed folks to draw ingame), Blizzard just breaks the API that allows it. That addon died overnight its core feature broken.

What it can do is modify on your client features that already is available and the game already uses. To make a bot it has to change the game itself and how it works, that's not how APIs work.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#25 - 2013-07-04 16:45:39 UTC
ill never understand how people can have such trouble with the UI. You win at eve by adapting yourself to the situation. Everything else is just another source of tears.

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-07-04 16:55:27 UTC
Rayo Atra wrote:
ill never understand how people can have such trouble with the UI. You win at eve by adapting yourself to the situation. Everything else is just another source of tears.


Because people like to customize their domain.

When the Mercury astronauts were introduced to their capsule the engineers so loved, the astronauts revolted. It didn't have a window, and worse, no flight stick (they are pilots, not monkeys being shot into space). Eventually the engineers relented. And now you see spacecraft with windows and plenty of pilot controls.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell

Xeraphi
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-07-04 17:28:34 UTC
Rayo Atra wrote:
ill never understand how people can have such trouble with the UI. You win at eve by adapting yourself to the situation. Everything else is just another source of tears.


People with disabilities first adapt to their environment by creating tools to adapt the environment to suit them, and those advances tend to later be adapted to help the so-called normal society. If not for people who insisted the world adapt to them and not them to the world there would be no innovation or progress.

What seems a small and useless inconvenience to you may be a huge obstacle to someone with visual impairment. Fixing that for the people who truly do need it would result in more awesome for everyone.

PS: If you love the default ui (and I don't see how anyone could love it, but tastes vary,) you don't have to change anything! Very few situations in life can produce a win for everyone, maybe it should be seized whenever possible.

New target lock death animation problem #1 ^ eye strain and pain Temporary workaround found to one of these.

Rayo Atra
Guardians of the Volatile Wine
#28 - 2013-07-04 17:32:44 UTC
i cant even begin to describe all the prima facie nonsense in that response.

I don't understand how people have such difficulty. "Because people want things their own way!"


like once there was the very first manned spacecraft ever built and it wasn't perfect the first time, so they made changes. This is just like a UI that has been refined over 10 years, that allows you to manipulate nearly every part of it, in hundreds of different ways, right out of the box.

I wasn't challenging peoples wants, only their competence.

Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough.

-Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg

KracKstar
Honey Badger Squad
#29 - 2013-07-04 20:15:16 UTC
can i haz your stuffz? contract them all to me asap pls
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