EVE General Discussion

if this is a thread about carebears and how they whine when they loose their barges then all i have to say is this.

they are already competing with bots (illegal) that flood the market with cheep minerals. so the cost of loosing that barge takes a ridiculous amount of time to pay off. if the mineral prices were at a level that supported "real people mining not bots" then those miners could store a stockpile of minerals for replacement ships. or sell their minerals for an amount that would replace their ships faster.

at the moment every piece of trit must be sold for even the most basic of profit, yes people do like to mine, even i mine with corp members when i just want to chat and hear about the local happening of eve.

if this thread is about gankers wanting insurance money to pay for ship replacements for doing an illegal activity then:

ya that confuses me. i am sure an insurance company with real people running it would tell the ganker to shove it for doing that.

hey CCP, make a contract system with the ability to do this, and remove insurance. things would get far more interesting

You fail at coding. That would make the attacks do negative damage. This means it would heal/repair instead of damaging the target. If you don't believe me go shoot someone with the snowball item ingame. (it does -10 damage.)

Also i could then kill you with snowballs, since this would make them do actual damage.

As far as i know it is not possible to damage yourself with any mod. Not sure on this though.

ever bought something on the market?
sold something?

congratulations, you participated in PvP.

not all pvp is blowing up space ships.

A friend of mine was taking some convincing to come and shoot some folks for lols. He asked, "But do they really deserve it?"
My reply "Everyone in Eve deserves to die!"


OP post was all good except for the oft-heard whine about psychotics/sociopaths. It's true, there are people in this game, and everywhere in life, whose sole function is to harm and harass those around them. They are usually chosen to lead the charge in real life, or they are isolated and allowed to rip each other to bits.
Eve allows no permanent or entertaining solutions like this so players have to cope with fail humans. I support this and seriously believe this allows people otherwise inexperienced to learn about such horrors without getting too hurt.

Now get out there and let 'er rip.

From my experience it would seem that it's more reality than thought when it comes to people expecting to be immune. Quite often we would convo up our targets and give them a simple proposition. Pay 50m to insure your 200m ship is not a target for us. Never a single taker, most never even moved even after weeks of doing it.

Yet there would often be cries in local of WHY or anger after they were warned and offered a way out. We even had one guy that lost 3 hulks to us, never paid, never took it seriously, never paid attention. The ones that would not respond to comms even though they were warping in and out of belt were quite often bots to boot. Pop his ship and the pod stays in belt all day.

Instead of catering to bots and the delusion of safety we should be bringing more reality to those who think any region of this game is safe.

They were scared of DRF when they coulda helped you guys.

They're even more scared now so "appeasement" is their only guarantee.

(Or they can use their positions on the CSM to get changes to nerf the DRF. Oh. They already did that 'ey?)

Most of the time, if you look at the KM of those raging you can guess with fair accuracy that they put most of their ISK into that ship and now that it's gone they have nothing.


Fly what you can afford to lose.

Single player games, perhaps. In a competetive MMO, an immunity to losss option is a different matter.

As permanent resident of an NPC corp, I have spent much time lurking and observing my little [-]minions[/-] corpmates, and from both their pre-EVE ways of thought, as well as their conditioning in their initial days in game, what happens is:
* They don't like losing ships
* They see ships as a long-term investment and not a tool
* They get emotionally attached to their ships, kitting them out and dressing them up as a way of defining their progress in game
* They associate losing ships with shame and failure

I think that more needs to be done to warm new players (and lots of older ones too) to the idea that there is nothing wrong with losing ships as long as they've served their purpose. They need to treat ships as expendable and not some trophy on a pedestal they've spent their life savings on.

You have a situation where new players go through the tutorial and see their advancement from noobship to tier 1 frigate to combat frigate to dessie and eventually cruiser as some measure of their level in game. Apart from that one mission that tells them "your might die", they (along with all the other mission runners) end up going through missions without experiencing ship loss, and by the time they've put enough money aside to start PvP'ing, they die in seconds when they naively waltz through into the first low-sec gate camp, and in frustration just go back to farming missions in highsec.

Summary: players are too risk averse and you need to nip it in the bud.

I think what also largely inhinbited people's acceptance to losing ships in PvP is CCP's introduction of:

* t2 and t3 ships
* faction/deadspace modules
* implants/hardwiring

When before a ship couldn't possibly cost more than 150 million, it may take weeks, sometimes even months, to replace your ship and implants. For a lot of people this isn't acceptable - so they will evade every risk.