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Stabber Needs +0.2 Powergrid

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Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#21 - 2013-06-28 18:27:13 UTC
I always said ship stats should be determined by someone's favorite fitting wish, because that surely must be the only way the ship will ever be fit.What?

That being said it could possibly be underpowered. But I would have to delve into a thorough examination of the other ships in the class and right now it's just :effort:Straight

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#22 - 2013-06-28 19:39:51 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
What's so bad about using 1 meta 4 shield extender?


I'm going with this answer too.

-Liang


Pretty much this!!!
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-06-28 20:16:21 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
For it to be an "All T2"-fitting do you also need to fit only T2 items, while I can see a T1 Warp Disruptor and a T1 MWD on it.


There are a handful of T2 items that are essentially, sometimes objectively worse than the Meta 4 equivalents. A T2 MWD, for example, has higher fitting requirements and capacitor drain, with the only benefit being that it has a smaller capacitor penalty for being fitted. Meta 4 Neutralizers are identical to T2 with much lower fitting, as are Warp Scramblers and Stasis Webifiers (which also have better endurance for overheating). Other modules you will commonly see are Meta 4 or 3 Damage Controls and Shield Extenders; these are almost as good as their T2 equivalents while offering excellent compromises on fitting room.

In most of these cases, the high-meta varieties are actually more expensive (in some cases, dramatically more) than the T2 version because of this, so don't assume that it means they're cheaping out on the fit.


For the OP: if you're in a situation like this, either downgrade one of the Shield Extenders or get a 1% PG implant. Also don't fly a kiting ship without a T2 point.
Whitehound
#24 - 2013-06-28 20:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Voyager Arran wrote:
There are a handful of T2 items that are essentially, sometimes objectively worse than the Meta 4 equivalents. A T2 MWD, for example, has higher fitting requirements and capacitor drain, with the only benefit being that it has a smaller capacitor penalty for being fitted. Meta 4 Neutralizers are identical to T2 with much lower fitting, as are Warp Scramblers and Stasis Webifiers (which also have better endurance for overheating). Other modules you will commonly see are Meta 4 or 3 Damage Controls and Shield Extenders; these are almost as good as their T2 equivalents while offering excellent compromises on fitting room.

In most of these cases, the high-meta varieties are actually more expensive (in some cases, dramatically more) than the T2 version because of this, so don't assume that it means they're cheaping out on the fit.

Thanks, but I do know this. The OP's demand was that the Stabber needs more PG (see the thread's subject) and I pointed out that his demand was flawed, because it was based on an allegedly "All T2" fitting, and laid open the moronic nature of his demand.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-06-28 20:32:08 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
There are a handful of T2 items that are essentially, sometimes objectively worse than the Meta 4 equivalents. A T2 MWD, for example, has higher fitting requirements and capacitor drain, with the only benefit being that it has a smaller capacitor penalty for being fitted. Meta 4 Neutralizers are identical to T2 with much lower fitting, as are Warp Scramblers and Stasis Webifiers (which also have better endurance for overheating). Other modules you will commonly see are Meta 4 or 3 Damage Controls and Shield Extenders; these are almost as good as their T2 equivalents while offering excellent compromises on fitting room.

In most of these cases, the high-meta varieties are actually more expensive (in some cases, dramatically more) than the T2 version because of this, so don't assume that it means they're cheaping out on the fit.

Thanks, but I do know this. The OP's demand was that the Stabber needs more PG (see the thread's subject) and I pointed out that his demand was flawed, because it was based on an allegedly "All T2" fitting, and laid open the moronic nature of his demand.


Then you are being deliberately obtuse, since it was abundantly clear that his meaning was using the best available modules for the job and not that literally every module needed to be T2 even when it would be entirely nonsensical for the ship. The choice T1 point is bizarre, but also meaningless since the ship has more than enough CPU to upgrade. Other than that, his complaint is justifiable, even if easily fixed.
Whitehound
#26 - 2013-06-28 20:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Voyager Arran wrote:
Then you are being deliberately obtuse ...

Lol The word you are looking for is called "precise".

Being precise is at the heart of a discussion on fittings. Just as you were being precise when you pointed out the small difference between T1 Meta 4 modules and their T2 version.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
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