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Dual Boxing LVL 4's
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Predator Pete
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-22 20:27:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Predator Pete
Hi all,

Before I start, they'll probably happen anyway, but can we keep comments such as 'There's no need to dualbox 4's' to a minimum?

I've got 2 accounts and don't want to create any more. I'm looking for the most efficient setup for 2 toons, running 4's. My main is working towards a machariel atm. His Caldari piloting skills are weakest, although he can build them up. The alt is primarily an indy toon who can work on a specific BS if needed. He's currently flying a noctis to salvage after the mission, but this seems a waste as he sits around for long periods of time simply waiting.

I don't really want to work the alt towards logistics, as he has no skills at all in that area, and it would be a hell of a long road.

I'm normally in Amarr space, however would like to keep the setup fairly portable, which is why I'm thinking Mach for the main. I considered going the paladin / machariel route, so I could salvage with the pally while I went.

Think I've covered everything. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, even if they're just something along the lines of 'keep the alt in the noctis and get a mach'.

Thanks very much for your time.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#2 - 2013-06-22 21:01:10 UTC
Predator Pete wrote:
Hi all,

Before I start, they'll probably happen anyway, but can we keep comments such as 'There's no need to dualbox 4's' to a minimum?

I've got 2 accounts and don't want to create any more. I'm looking for the most efficient setup for 2 toons, running 4's. My main is working towards a machariel atm. His Caldari piloting skills are weakest, although he can build them up. The alt is primarily an indy toon who can work on a specific BS if needed. He's currently flying a noctis to salvage after the mission, but this seems a waste as he sits around for long periods of time simply waiting.

I don't really want to work the alt towards logistics, as he has no skills at all in that area, and it would be a hell of a long road.

I'm normally in Amarr space, however would like to keep the setup fairly portable, which is why I'm thinking Mach for the main. I considered going the paladin / machariel route, so I could salvage with the pally while I went.

Think I've covered everything. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, even if they're just something along the lines of 'keep the alt in the noctis and get a mach'.

Thanks very much for your time.


Machariel and Noctis. Train the noctis alt in industry and build the pirate faction battleship native to the region you are living in. You will make an extra fifty to hundred million off of every 160 million worth of reprocessed loot.

You will never ever be able to make 200% profit from 2 DPS ships in one mission. You will be able to make 200% profit from salvaging looting and industry. Industry includes manufacturing items to sell with LP.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#3 - 2013-06-23 03:31:47 UTC
Make sure your alt has Orca first to help transport all the goods and ships.

Worm/Gila/Noctis fit in an Orca all at once. (( great support team for opening up new npc groups ))
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2013-06-23 03:34:19 UTC
a domi is the nice lazy choice, especially now that you can have garde IIs deal 800 dps to 100km. the domi can more or less sit still while the mach moves around to deal with range issues. can pretty much launch gardes, say assist other character and then ignore that account, might have to turn a rep on every now and then but nearly all aggro should go to the mach.

imo using anything else with a mach would just be a pain in the ass, as the mach zoom zooms so much, and has insane rof. although I guess you could use an arty mach + nearly anything else.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Solomunio Kzenig
The Intrinsic Ones
#5 - 2013-06-23 09:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig
There are a couple of options for dual boxing level 4's/running with an alt:

1. Main runs mission/alt salvages afterwards in a Noctis - Main has moved onto the next mission, rinse and repeat.

2. Main runs missions/alt sits in an OGB at a deep safe in system boosting - not particularly safe anymore, a refinement is to have small POSes set up in all the systems you missions to and sit in OGB alt in them - six link Tengu with Skirmish and Siege links for a Shield Mach, very nice.

3. Main runs missions, alt comes onto grid in a Field Command Ship with appropriate gang links, assigns its drones to the main and makes a small contribution to DPS - I used to use a T2 Pulse Apoc and a Damnation.

4. Main and Alt run missions in different BS's, mentioned is the Mach and Domi, these ships compliment each other, AC Mach zooms around blaping stuff in the face, Domi sits still with Gardes out (Gardes are locked up by Domi who has remote reps in the highs).

5. Main in BS, alt in a Logi, un-optimal combination.

For all strategies alt (or main) has good refine skills, refines loot that is not worth shipping to a trade hub into minerals, alt (in an Orca) goes to a trade hub every now and then to sell minerals/good loot. A refinement is to have another alt trained up and in a 1 man corp for selling the loot at the trade hub.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Fraternity.
#6 - 2013-06-23 19:55:04 UTC
If you happy to keep switching screens then 2 x machs will do a great job. Even with both BS to 4 and meta 4guns your alt will do missions much quicker. If it is a big room with lots of frigs I will keep them 20-30km apart so I don't need to use drones. Otherwise stick the alt in a drone boat and set drones on assist. Doesn't work that great with a mach as you tend to keep moving around, but it does work. A torp golem paired with a drone boat works pretty well.
Dual boxing NM's is really good against em weak rats.. you will have no rest time between targeting switching screens and targeting and firing.
Dual TFI's is what I am working towards at the moment, will see how that works, haven't used cruise missiles yet since the change, so Golem will probably still do OK.
When I dual box with a drone boat I use a RS, 4 DDA's and 2 x omnis fit and you still get a killer tank
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#7 - 2013-06-24 00:38:23 UTC
drone interfacing V is also a mining skill, which means sentry drones are the only non indy thing you are training if you prepare your alt to run as an assist. Bear in mind that domis with sentries are kinda stuck in position so it might be well away from the next gate when your mach gets there.

also if you can kill BS in 30 seconds (ie 1000 dps or more), then your noctis should be working fairly hard to keep up.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#8 - 2013-06-24 01:02:18 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
drone interfacing V is also a mining skill, which means sentry drones are the only non indy thing you are training if you prepare your alt to run as an assist. Bear in mind that domis with sentries are kinda stuck in position so it might be well away from the next gate when your mach gets there.

also if you can kill BS in 30 seconds (ie 1000 dps or more), then your noctis should be working fairly hard to keep up.



I have 1170 and my Mach cant even begin to keep up with my noctis. The noctis salvages 2-300% faster than the Mach kills.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#9 - 2013-06-24 01:13:06 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
drone interfacing V is also a mining skill, which means sentry drones are the only non indy thing you are training if you prepare your alt to run as an assist. Bear in mind that domis with sentries are kinda stuck in position so it might be well away from the next gate when your mach gets there.

also if you can kill BS in 30 seconds (ie 1000 dps or more), then your noctis should be working fairly hard to keep up.



I have 1170 and my Mach cant even begin to keep up with my noctis. The noctis salvages 2-300% faster than the Mach kills.


indeed, not to mention all the down time between not so good (for looting/salvaging at least) missions that aren't even worth trying to loot/salvage, and/or the ones where you only killed a few ships to get it done as fast as possible.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2013-06-24 01:16:53 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Otherwise stick the alt in a drone boat and set drones on assist. Doesn't work that great with a mach as you tend to keep moving around, but it does work.


100km optimal on garde IIs, that alt don't need to move. (well do probably fit a mwd so you can get to the next gate soonish, then again on the missions where you need to move to gates usually you don't need an alt supporting you, at least from my memory)

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Predator Pete
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-24 01:56:38 UTC
Some great ideas here everyone, thanks very much.

It seems the two options are:

Run main in mach and alt in noctis, or
Run main in mach, alt in domi, then switch him to noctis every hour or so to salvage all the loots.