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Post Odyssey evaluation - Who is the king of PVE?

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#41 - 2013-06-27 10:24:08 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
No cruise or torp fit ship is going to do this.

Confirming that you've never used the new CNR


Has he used the new RNI?

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#42 - 2013-06-27 10:26:36 UTC
Cage Man wrote:

Paper dps means nothing in the game. I have used both and can say the mach will complete the mssions faster for the simple reason that it can insta pop frigs and cruisers on approach. No cruise or torp fit ship is going to do this. You can rigor fit and TP fit all you want inf you favorite fit tool, there is no way its going to practically work better. 4 grouped 800mm ac will insta pop a frig from 15km to 60km and will be ready for its next victim in 3 ish seconds. A bit slower against kinetic weak rates.. but still.
PS.. it also has a faster lock time than the other ships. Only time I don't use my mach is in amarr space as the NM is better there.
I have yet to try the TFI, but suspect it will do really well, probably better than the Navy raven purely because it can insta smaller stuff on approach with 5 x T2 sentries.

Null anoms, use a sentry carrier, will apply damage better than a Thany, even though EFT says it has more dps...


Funnily enough I was talking about actual DPS not paper DPS.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Rogue Lawyer
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-06-27 11:09:55 UTC
I am shocked at the fact that everyone seems to have ignored the Rattlesnake altogether, it is a fantastic ship, I active tank mine and i can squeeze out 1158 dps with sentries and cruise missiles. One can also use Wardens to pop things from afar.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#44 - 2013-06-27 12:08:56 UTC
Rogue Lawyer wrote:
I am shocked at the fact that everyone seems to have ignored the Rattlesnake altogether, it is a fantastic ship, I active tank mine and i can squeeze out 1158 dps with sentries and cruise missiles. One can also use Wardens to pop things from afar.


Sentry Drones, while great, are not as great as either CMs post-patch, or Projectiles. I do enjoy using my RS when joining friends for Lvl 4s, but if I'm solo I will always take my RNI or SNI ahead of my RS.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Whitehound
#45 - 2013-06-27 13:17:57 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Sentry Drones, while great, are not as great as either CMs post-patch, or Projectiles.

Each PvE content is different and each is designed to test different abilities. Because one can change ship fittings to match the content (including the ship itself) would a "King of PvE" be the one ship that handles them all equally well and ideally requires no changes.

The new Dominix with with MJD+AB(or MWD) needs practically no tank, towers over all NPCs from a 100km distance and deals 800+ DPS over the entire range with extreme tracking. It is also very close to mining asteroids in nature and about as fun.

This is pretty much what I expect a "King of PvE" would be like.

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#46 - 2013-06-27 14:53:15 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Sentry Drones, while great, are not as great as either CMs post-patch, or Projectiles.

Each PvE content is different and each is designed to test different abilities. Because one can change ship fittings to match the content (including the ship itself) would a "King of PvE" be the one ship that handles them all equally well and ideally requires no changes.

The new Dominix with with MJD+AB(or MWD) needs practically no tank, towers over all NPCs from a 100km distance and deals 800+ DPS over the entire range with extreme tracking. It is also very close to mining asteroids in nature and about as fun.

This is pretty much what I expect a "King of PvE" would be like.


Except that if you took that ship in any Guristas mission it would get pounded stupid from over 100 KM away.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Whitehound
#47 - 2013-06-27 15:44:12 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Except that if you took that ship in any Guristas mission it would get pounded stupid from over 100 KM away.

You do not get "pounded stupid" at 30km or 100km by Guristas. They are rather weak, because they rely partly on their e-war, which at 100km has no effect. It is all only kinetic damage beyond 30km and it is very easy to tank, and at 100km will you see many missiles die in space before they can reach you. Hence no need for a tank. Not that you cannot fit one, you only have no need for one.

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Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2013-06-28 00:54:03 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Sal Landry wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
No cruise or torp fit ship is going to do this.

Confirming that you've never used the new CNR


Has he used the new RNI?


I have not used it since the changes, I sold it a while ago. Question to you though.. Is have you tried anything else yourself? I don't go comparing your T2 fit cruise raven to a meta 4 fit mach. Train the skills up and then compare.. then come back and let me know which worked better. Each to his own I guess..
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2013-06-28 00:59:58 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Cage Man wrote:

Paper dps means nothing in the game. I have used both and can say the mach will complete the mssions faster for the simple reason that it can insta pop frigs and cruisers on approach. No cruise or torp fit ship is going to do this. You can rigor fit and TP fit all you want inf you favorite fit tool, there is no way its going to practically work better. 4 grouped 800mm ac will insta pop a frig from 15km to 60km and will be ready for its next victim in 3 ish seconds. A bit slower against kinetic weak rates.. but still.
PS.. it also has a faster lock time than the other ships. Only time I don't use my mach is in amarr space as the NM is better there.
I have yet to try the TFI, but suspect it will do really well, probably better than the Navy raven purely because it can insta smaller stuff on approach with 5 x T2 sentries.

Null anoms, use a sentry carrier, will apply damage better than a Thany, even though EFT says it has more dps...


Funnily enough I was talking about actual DPS not paper DPS.


Actual as in taking into account explosion radius, explosion velocity, reload time?? actual time it takes to complete a mission??
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-06-28 01:14:03 UTC
Moros

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Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2013-06-30 19:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexander McKeon
Jack Miton wrote:
Moros
Agreed. Moros, followed by the Naglfar. Moros has better DPS for blapping things, but I love the tracking / lock time on my triple-sebo, triple-tracking comp Nag. Smile

I dare any of your puny battleships to match that level of DPS, or the ISK / hour numbers our dreads pull in. P
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2013-06-30 19:50:37 UTC
Alexander McKeon wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Moros
Agreed. Moros, followed by the Naglfar. Moros has better DPS for blapping things, but I love the tracking / lock time on my triple-sebo, triple-tracking comp Nag. Smile

I dare any of your puny battleships to match that level of DPS, or the ISK / hour numbers our dreads pull in. P


You ain't gonna hit **** in that unless you have at least 2 friends webbing for you... so BS still better.
Any half decent null bear makes more solo and easier. eg, in gallente null.. undock vindi (before patch naga), hit some forsaken hubs in an system with an ihub make easy 100mil per hour, no salvage, no fuss.
You will need to wait for at least 5-6 six pilots, unless you box them all.. shoot, salvage, find a HS route, then go sell loot... and if you add up all this tame taken.. you can't match it... I know I have done both (lived in a C6 for a long time and even solo'd a C3 for a while, different toon's obviously).
Only other easy way is in a decent incursion fleet if you don't have to wait to get in.. but you still need to move to different systems.
Alexander McKeon
Perkone
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-06-30 22:56:00 UTC
When you have half a dozen dreads all shooting at once you can speed through sites very quickly; by my stopwatch it's something like 200m / hour / pilot for doing full esclations, just have the Noctis pilots trail behind the main fleet and a couple guys handle blue loot for the whole corp a few times per month. When the corp is big enough, waiting for extra pilots is not a huge issue.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-06-30 23:07:19 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:

Except that if you took that ship in any Guristas mission it would get pounded stupid from over 100 KM away.


You can orbit your sentries to reduce much of the pathetic kinetic missile damage.

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