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Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#1 - 2013-06-22 00:17:41 UTC
Pretty much have it so that you can become addicted to the boosters you use. Make it so that if you are addicted the side
effects that you have sometimes when you use does not happen or less often if your clone is addicted. yet when you go
without your booster you start getting bad side effects. Synthetic boosters you cannot get an addiction. And the stronger
the booster that you use the more chance of addiction. In turn with being addicted the boosters do not work at their full
100% potential before you started your path down addiction. But they still give you a certain percentage of that bonus.
So once addicted you either get yourself clean somehow yet to be determined. Or you have to keep using stronger boosters
to be able to get your same bonus from it.

This would lead to a larger booster trade going on in eve where some players would try to find the need to constantly have
their fix. Knowing without it they will do a lot worse in combat or other things.

(Comments, Concerns, Trolling insults, And thoughts please)
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2013-06-22 00:33:08 UTC
Why on earth would you want to nerf boosters so badly? They're already expensive and under-used.

This wouldn't lead to a larger booster trade, this would just make the things more annoying and expensive to use.
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2013-06-22 02:52:06 UTC
No, just no, absolutely no ******* way.

You already suffer chances of nasty side effects, inability o easily move them in highsec, and high price, along with difficult build process, They certainly don't need any more issues with them.

What they need is a smuggling skill, that trained to LV V, enabled people to move them through highsec safely (without time consuming rapid jump-cloak method) without worrying about customs officials, since the difficulty in moving them is a large part of the difficulty of getting them to prospective customers, who don't want to pay high prices for the boosters and then large handling fee's on top of that.

And I say this as someone who has produced, moved,and sold 10+ bil in boosters.
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#4 - 2013-06-22 04:39:49 UTC
Then maybe it is time for boosters to evolve as well. Better chemicals for increased high with lower side effects with a much higher price.

But what do I care about Booster Users anyway? Let their teeth and heads rot to the point and fall off while in the middle of talking.

"Ah to bad your head fell off because you used to much Boost. Get a new head and shove more down your throat is what I say."

That's what you get for inhaling jet fuel.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#5 - 2013-06-22 04:56:13 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:

But what do I care about Booster Users anyway? Let their teeth and heads rot to the point and fall off while in the middle of talking.

"Ah to bad your head fell off because you used to much Boost. Get a new head and shove more down your throat is what I say."

"Activate my most recent clone, I need my brain chemistry redone!"

This is a futuristic society where we're immortal beings. Push comes to shove, they can magic wand our pathetic addictions away with their super special future tech.

Considering they can transfer our conciousness, create perfectly working clones, and more, I think they've figured out how to fix our body chemistry so we don't have to worry about addictions.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2013-06-22 05:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
I can safely say this is a Very Bad Idea™.

Boosters may need some work, but this isn't the kind that they need.
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
#7 - 2013-06-22 05:55:23 UTC
I am all for giving boosters a boost (heh) and making them more of a thing that is actually a thing in EVE and not something rich players do to get a teensy bit more power outta their ship for the next fight.

Increasing the perceived drawbacks of the drugs is not the right way to go about that I think.

Save the drones!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#8 - 2013-06-22 08:29:08 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Why on earth would you want to nerf boosters so badly? They're already expensive and under-used.

This wouldn't lead to a larger booster trade, this would just make the things more annoying and expensive to use.
This.

This idea wouldn't help booster sales, it would kill them. Why would anyone use anything other than Synthetic boosters? Because if the others bonuses get nerfed as you use them and get addicted, what is the point in even using them to begin with?

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Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#9 - 2013-06-22 15:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Oldgrimeyass
The key point in my statement is that the Addiction is not a bad thing. I clearly said that once you are addicted to a said booster you get the benefits while using it. And you do not get the bad side effects. The bad side effects happen when your clone that is addicted does not have their booster in their system.

(This is an idea feel free to try and expand to make it better) Im always open to suggestions
FoxFire Ayderan
#10 - 2013-06-22 20:43:04 UTC

I like it.

Drug use should have a down-side.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#11 - 2013-06-22 21:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
How about following true addiction: The more you have, the more you need as your system builds up tolerance to get the same kick from it or in EVE's case enhancement from it.

If you going to do it at least do it right and really kill the booster trade or increase the demand depending how people see it. But then it would become the drug of the Elite.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-06-22 22:06:29 UTC
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
The key point in my statement is that the Addiction is not a bad thing. I clearly said that once you are addicted to a said booster you get the benefits while using it. And you do not get the bad side effects. The bad side effects happen when your clone that is addicted does not have their booster in their system.

(This is an idea feel free to try and expand to make it better) Im always open to suggestions



Yes, and why would anyone use them, get addicted and have to keep shelling out millions of ISK every time they wanted to actually do anything, to say nothing of the inconvenience of actually getting hold of enough of the bloody things to always have plenty on hand every time you log in.

Yes, the prices would spike, but boosters are not in any way easy to make, the market wouldn't be able to support this change.
Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#13 - 2013-06-22 22:33:53 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
The key point in my statement is that the Addiction is not a bad thing. I clearly said that once you are addicted to a said booster you get the benefits while using it. And you do not get the bad side effects. The bad side effects happen when your clone that is addicted does not have their booster in their system.

(This is an idea feel free to try and expand to make it better) Im always open to suggestions



Yes, and why would anyone use them, get addicted and have to keep shelling out millions of ISK every time they wanted to actually do anything, to say nothing of the inconvenience of actually getting hold of enough of the bloody things to always have plenty on hand every time you log in.

Yes, the prices would spike, but boosters are not in any way easy to make, the market wouldn't be able to support this change.


I believe that you are missing the idea that you can have multiple clone in eve *Aka Jump Clones* You may have a clone who is addicted to the sauce while your other one is completely booster free.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#14 - 2013-06-22 22:37:11 UTC
I believe all of us understand the premise, but you are missing the idea that we find this suggestion to be utterly and irrevocably abhorrent.
Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#15 - 2013-06-22 22:42:08 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe all of us understand the premise, but you are missing the idea that we find this suggestion to be utterly and irrevocably abhorrent.


Instead of trying to troll and say its a bad idea. Why not try to give other suggestions on what may be better or how to expand on the idea. Trolling will not help or improve any aspect of the game. If you do not like the idea feel free ignore the post. Or give an explanation of why or how it could be made better.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2013-06-22 22:53:11 UTC
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
The key point in my statement is that the Addiction is not a bad thing. I clearly said that once you are addicted to a said booster you get the benefits while using it. And you do not get the bad side effects. The bad side effects happen when your clone that is addicted does not have their booster in their system.

(This is an idea feel free to try and expand to make it better) Im always open to suggestions



Yes, and why would anyone use them, get addicted and have to keep shelling out millions of ISK every time they wanted to actually do anything, to say nothing of the inconvenience of actually getting hold of enough of the bloody things to always have plenty on hand every time you log in.

Yes, the prices would spike, but boosters are not in any way easy to make, the market wouldn't be able to support this change.


I believe that you are missing the idea that you can have multiple clone in eve *Aka Jump Clones* You may have a clone who is addicted to the sauce while your other one is completely booster free.



Yes, and if my Syndicate clone is addicted to drop, but there is no drop in syndicate, then what am I supposed to do when I want to go lose something expensive down there?

The market cannot sustain this. Boosters are too hard to make and transport. No-one will use them if they have to keep some on hand to not cripple their character every time they try and undock.

This idea cannot be made better. it is inherently awful. If you want to buff boosters, make them easier to transport through highsec. Simple as that.
FoxFire Ayderan
#17 - 2013-06-22 23:02:54 UTC

Sure you can make it better, by the unexplored idea of how to rid yourself of the addiction.

There are multiple possible avenues for this, including just allowing time to pass, where your toon would be at a disadvantage (proably progressively worse over time) for a short while (24, 48 hours whatever - maybe even longer) and then they lose the addiction. Or other ways to 'cure' yourself which would be faster but much more expensive.
Oldgrimeyass
Downloaded Bears
#18 - 2013-06-22 23:12:33 UTC
FoxFire Ayderan wrote:

Sure you can make it better, by the unexplored idea of how to rid yourself of the addiction.

There are multiple possible avenues for this, including just allowing time to pass, where your toon would be at a disadvantage (proably progressively worse over time) for a short while (24, 48 hours whatever - maybe even longer) and then they lose the addiction. Or other ways to 'cure' yourself which would be faster but much more expensive.




I like your idea. There could be a timer on how long the addiction lasts if you choose to get rid of it that way. This is a very open ended idea and I enjoy getting constructive input. :)
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#19 - 2013-06-22 23:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Oldgrimeyass wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I believe all of us understand the premise, but you are missing the idea that we find this suggestion to be utterly and irrevocably abhorrent.


Instead of trying to troll and say its a bad idea. Why not try to give other suggestions on what may be better or how to expand on the idea. Trolling will not help or improve any aspect of the game. If you do not like the idea feel free ignore the post. Or give an explanation of why or how it could be made better.


Saying something is a bad idea is trolling? What the..

Right, I forgot that "troll" is now defined as "Anyone who disagrees with me for any reason or doesn't make me feel like a special snowflake". Sorry about that. Let me try again.

Welcome to Features & Ideas! How may I blow smoke up your ass to make you feel good about yourself today?

With that out of the way..

You say "Offer ways to expand on the idea". How do you expand on an idea that will quite possibly result in the destruction of any booster market beyond Synth? You say "suggest something that might be better", but someone already did that and as far as I can tell you discounted it and said we don't understand the point of your idea.
Vesan Terakol
Trollgrin Sadface
Dark Taboo
#20 - 2013-06-22 23:52:37 UTC
Unfortunately, this proposition is not really compatible with the lore, as boosters are not chemicals - they are a gene therapy that temporarily improves certain aspects of brain function by promoting synapse potentiation of neurons in the related area. Effects war off as the immune system purges the booster. Makes no sense to get addicted to them lore wise.
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