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Religion and Eve - A petition

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Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#181 - 2013-06-22 16:41:31 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
As long as it would be ok if someone places a "Church of Satan" can next to the "Jesus" can it's all good and everyone can continue to display their funny beliefs ingame.

Deal?



Arent these the same religion?


Yes for the ones who live life full of hate and bliss (think about the last one for a second)
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#182 - 2013-06-22 16:43:31 UTC
Onomerous wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
As long as it would be ok if someone places a "Church of Satan" can next to the "Jesus" can it's all good and everyone can continue to display their funny beliefs ingame.

Deal?



Arent these the same religion?


Yes for the ones who live life full of hate and bliss (think about the last one for a second)


People from Blisstonia, known for its high levels of bliss?

Or are you suggesting Christians are ignorant?
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#183 - 2013-06-22 16:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Karak Terrel
Onomerous wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
As long as it would be ok if someone places a "Church of Satan" can next to the "Jesus" can it's all good and everyone can continue to display their funny beliefs ingame.

Deal?


While I would find "Church of Satan" offensive, I would not petition to have it removed. I don't read the cans anyway.

Seems one side of the argument wants to dictate to others but don't want to be dictate to themselves if they don't like the message. They can dish it but can't take it!!


I don't want to dictate anything or preach any message. It's just that most religious people get offended by other religious messages, like you just demonstrated. So the best thing for everyone is usually that everyone leave their religion at home so that not everyone is offending everyone else.

For my part I really don't care if anyone gets offended. I think someone that gets offended by trivial ideas like those are deserves to be offended. Also bringing more religious stuff into the game may fuel conflict which leads to more ships exploding. And in the end we all love exploding ships.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#184 - 2013-06-22 17:02:05 UTC
Literally no one is offended by the writing on the can. The problem with it is that it ***** up the game. Id' rather not have a game where I undock from a trade hub into cans full of stuff about obamacare and 9/11 and feminazis and whatever else beliefs people want to push, not because it's offensive, but because it's ****. I prefer non-**** over ****. That's just me.
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#185 - 2013-06-22 17:10:56 UTC
Clearly if your on one side of the issue, you can be as offensive, mocking, and disrespectful as you care to be.
If you are on the other side, you are censured, ridiculed, silenced, edited, and possibly banned.

Clearly EVIL has a grasp on you, and you are fearful of a little light.
Can't have you interupted while you are killing, destroying, and stealing can we....

HYPOCRASY!!!!!!!!!

Somebody Please LOCK THIS THREAD!

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
Mason Drake
SGK Inc
#186 - 2013-06-22 17:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mason Drake
Simetraz wrote:
Moth Eisig wrote:
Athiest tears best tears?

I just am having a hard time getting over the fact that this is EVE where any kind of griefing and scamming and being as cruel as possible to other players is encouraged and all sorts of lewd language and imagery that is offensive to religious people (not to mention extremely uncomfortable for the female demographic that EVE has such a hard time attracting) is allowed to be plastered everywhere, but "Jesus loves you" on a can elicits 9 pages of "we can't handle this" on the forums.

What happened to the whole toughen up mantra?

If you see religious messages in a bio or on a can, no one is forcing you to start an argument about it. Just acknowledge the person has different beliefs than you and move on, like I do when I see offensive material in the game. Don't force other people to hide their beliefs while you flout yours.

If anything, evangelizing is a perfect fit in a game like EVE where everything goes.


Probably because that athiest will be the first person to come over and help you out if a tree fell on your house or need help moving in , or fixing that fence or whatever in RL.
But in game they will also be the first person to scam , pod, or gank that very same neighbor.
This is simply about separation of RL and a GAME.
I feel really sorry for people that don't see the difference, one day they will end up in jail and not understand why they are there.




I'm not religious. Calling me anti-religious would be more accurate. I hate religion, but respect the rights of people to be religious if they choose.

Atheism has become a religion, just like all the others. I have found that Atheists are the last ones to offer a helping hand. It's practitioners are some of the most rabid, vitriolic examples of religious assholes I have ever encountered. I have yet to meet one Atheist who would help me in the way you claim they do, but I have met Christians who would, even knowing that I want nothing to with theirs or any other religion. Atheists on the other have cursed me out (using Christian curses including "god damn you" oddly enough) and wished me all sorts or misfortune, because I won't support their demands that Christians be stifled, gagged or whatever other method they want to use to shut up only the Christians..
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#187 - 2013-06-22 17:20:58 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
Clearly if your on one side of the issue, you can be as offensive, mocking, and disrespectful as you care to be.
If you are on the other side, you are censured, ridiculed, silenced, edited, and possibly banned.

Don't fear the dark side my friend. Step over and join the fun!
Anubis Joringer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2013-06-22 17:28:38 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
[quote=Moth Eisig]Probably because that athiest will be the first person to come over and help you out if a tree fell on your house or need help moving in , or fixing that fence or whatever in RL.


Statistically unlikely: atheists, even if we include the agnostics, are a fairly small group in just about every country.
Avon
#189 - 2013-06-22 17:36:25 UTC
Anubis Joringer wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
[quote=Moth Eisig]Probably because that athiest will be the first person to come over and help you out if a tree fell on your house or need help moving in , or fixing that fence or whatever in RL.


Statistically unlikely: atheists, even if we include the agnostics, are a fairly small group in just about every country.


They make up 31.9% of the population of England (as of 2011)
Anubis Joringer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2013-06-22 17:42:09 UTC
Avon wrote:
Anubis Joringer wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
[quote=Moth Eisig]Probably because that athiest will be the first person to come over and help you out if a tree fell on your house or need help moving in , or fixing that fence or whatever in RL.


Statistically unlikely: atheists, even if we include the agnostics, are a fairly small group in just about every country.


They make up 31.9% of the population of England (as of 2011)


Then in England, ceteris paribus, the person helping you out has a 31.9% chance of being an atheist. I fail to see how it follows that the first person to help you out would probably be an athiest, seeing as they're only about 1/3 of the population.
Sakkar Arenith
Kenmei Corporation
#191 - 2013-06-22 17:43:27 UTC
Emma Yobibit wrote:
So you want to ban people's freedom of speech?

-1


CCP already bans A LOT of "free speech".

Try going around posting anti islam / anti saudi arabia threads or even local.... ban.

Try even jokingly comment / insult races/sexes/sexual orientations - hardcore isnta ban.


Personally i'm for an absolute free speech doctrine, but since ccp is already banning free speech, why not here too?
Avon
#192 - 2013-06-22 17:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Avon
Anubis Joringer wrote:
Avon wrote:
Anubis Joringer wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
[quote=Moth Eisig]Probably because that athiest will be the first person to come over and help you out if a tree fell on your house or need help moving in , or fixing that fence or whatever in RL.


Statistically unlikely: atheists, even if we include the agnostics, are a fairly small group in just about every country.


They make up 31.9% of the population of England (as of 2011)


Then in England, ceteris paribus, the person helping you out has a 31.9% chance of being an atheist. I fail to see how it follows that the first person to help you out would probably be an athiest, seeing as they're only about 1/3 of the population.



Because, statistically, most of the Christians are retired and probably waiting for God.

See what I did there?



Added: In 2009 a survey on religion gave a result of 50.7% claiming "no religion".
Anubis Joringer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#193 - 2013-06-22 17:47:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Anubis Joringer
Avon wrote:
Anubis Joringer wrote:


Then in England, ceteris paribus, the person helping you out has a 31.9% chance of being an atheist. I fail to see how it follows that the first person to help you out would probably be an athiest, seeing as they're only about 1/3 of the population.



Because, statistically, most of the Christians are retired and probably waiting for God.

See what I did there?


Make up a statistic and not bother to look up two measly words of latin? If you've got proof that everyone except athiests is lazy and uncaring, by all means cite it.
Avon
#194 - 2013-06-22 17:50:40 UTC
Anubis Joringer wrote:
Avon wrote:
Anubis Joringer wrote:


Then in England, ceteris paribus, the person helping you out has a 31.9% chance of being an atheist. I fail to see how it follows that the first person to help you out would probably be an athiest, seeing as they're only about 1/3 of the population.



Because, statistically, most of the Christians are retired and probably waiting for God.

See what I did there?


Make up a statistic and not bother to look up two measly words of latin? If you've got proof that everyone except athiests is lazy and uncaring, by all means cite it.



If you aren't lazy go get the statistics yourself - they aren't hard to find.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#195 - 2013-06-22 17:52:27 UTC
I think we can all just agree the OP is a whining idiot and let this one rest. This has turned into an atheist vs religion debate now.
Avon
#196 - 2013-06-22 17:55:22 UTC
Oh, and I didn't realise that you thought I should go to the effort of looking up your "two measly words of Latin". I did Latin at school and in all honesty I didn't think people still thought throwing it in to a forum post would make them look educated.

I'm sorry I didn't realise the importance you placed on your clever use of a rather mundane Latin phrase.
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#197 - 2013-06-22 17:56:52 UTC
I cant actually find anywhere in EULA or TOS where it states you cant bring any real world idoligy into the game.

It is definitely immersion breaking but it reminds me we dont have so many religious idiots here in europe as in the USA.
Anubis Joringer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#198 - 2013-06-22 17:57:40 UTC
Avon wrote:
Anubis Joringer wrote:
Avon wrote:
Anubis Joringer wrote:


Then in England, ceteris paribus, the person helping you out has a 31.9% chance of being an atheist. I fail to see how it follows that the first person to help you out would probably be an athiest, seeing as they're only about 1/3 of the population.



Because, statistically, most of the Christians are retired and probably waiting for God.

See what I did there?


Make up a statistic and not bother to look up two measly words of latin? If you've got proof that everyone except athiests is lazy and uncaring, by all means cite it.



If you aren't lazy go get the statistics yourself - they aren't hard to find.


The philosophic burden of proof lies on the person challenging the null hypothesis. The null hypothesis in this case is that religious philosophy is immaterial to probability of assisting another human being. You challenge this, stating that if a person receives help from another person the probability of the assistor not believing in any gods is >50%, and therefore the burden of proof lies with you. Cite your sources.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#199 - 2013-06-22 17:59:11 UTC
Oxandrolone wrote:
I cant actually find anywhere in EULA or TOS where it states you cant bring any real world idoligy into the game.

It is definitely immersion breaking but it reminds me we dont have so many religious idiots here in europe as in the USA.

That is because it isn't against the TOS. This is not an RP server, and people can bring in things from real life and break people's immersion all they like. People do it all the time, but the OP is a special fairy and feels that she/he should be treated differently.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#200 - 2013-06-22 17:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kult Altol
Oxandrolone wrote:
I cant actually find anywhere in EULA or TOS where it states you cant bring any real world idoligy into the game.

It is definitely immersion breaking but it reminds me we dont have so many religious idiots here in europe as in the USA.


Religious idiots? So there are no atheist idiots? Or is the whole lot a bunch of Richard Dawkins? Do go on.

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