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Why are criminals able to dock in highsec?

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#41 - 2013-06-22 13:59:16 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


Sentry guns don't shoot you. The Roden? Police, Customs Cops and Faction Navies do. All the ideas here are moronic and put forward by people who don't understand -10 means next to nothing these days and is only worn by people who don't need stations to kill you repeatedly.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-06-22 15:46:03 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
-10 means next to nothing


This is the real problem, everything else is just the consequence of this simple fact.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#43 - 2013-06-22 15:46:43 UTC
Because in the New Eve roadmap.. Highsec is SAFE Sec.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#44 - 2013-06-22 15:53:05 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?

Because high-sec publords usually don't have the set it would take to prevent them from doing so. Evil

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Alara IonStorm
#45 - 2013-06-22 16:21:42 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
-10 means next to nothing

This is the real problem,

What is the problem?

Can you not tank your ship and limit the wealth of each run to remove like 95% of suicide gank potential. Besides that what else are we punishing folks for? PvP in Low Sec, that is like the primary reason it exist besides pipe to null sec.

I think anyone can shoot you should be enough "punishment" for these "Pffft" crimes that are either easily preventable or good for the game. Between Concord, Kill Rights and you can shoot them wherever status as an outlaw, I think that is more then enough.

I would say the real problem (The Real Problem) is players not taking basic precautions. Don't fly paper AFK. It is literally that simple.
Ehronn
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-06-22 17:19:50 UTC
Well if ya go by the books that were written there was one scene where a capsuleer turned on his own and ran off before being killed. The order by the state was given that guards be placed so that if his clone wakes up (meaning the capsuleer has died) the clone would be courtmartialed and imprisoned indefinitely.

but that's just the lore from the books
Faltharion Estidal
Lifeless Sun
#47 - 2013-06-22 18:50:46 UTC
I think i agree with the argument that -10 does not mean anything currently.

For Alara IonStorm and some of the coment's here http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

To add something to the discussion, the way i see eve, is, your actions have consequences, if your a criminal, highsec should not be safe for you, at least is the impression i take at the current system in place.

I kinda don't get it why some people are getting up in arms over this, their will always be ganking, my question is why criminals aren't treated as criminal's.

For the CSM quote i would add that if the motel guys is well informed, he will see your face in the coops poster's let you in and call them to arrest you and getting doubled paied! lol
Alara IonStorm
#48 - 2013-06-22 19:04:09 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:

For Alara IonStorm and some of the coment's here http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

For Faltharion Estidal here http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

Faltharion Estidal wrote:

To add something to the discussion, the way i see eve, is, your actions have consequences, if your a criminal, highsec should not be safe for you, at least is the impression i take at the current system in place.

It isn't safe, anyone can shoot at you without criminal consequence. If you shoot them you get Concorded.

Faltharion Estidal wrote:

I kinda don't get it why some people are getting up in arms over this, their will always be ganking, my question is why criminals aren't treated as criminal's.

Aren't treated as Criminals? Did you miss the part where you are allowed to kill them on sight? That is a pretty damn big consequence.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#49 - 2013-06-22 19:10:17 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
if your a criminal, highsec should not be safe for you, at least is the impression i take at the current system in place.



It's not safe the cops hit hard and follow you everywhere. Try it sometime...It's only easy if you have an IQ above derpbear, specific fits and make preparations to avoid the cops until you kill whoever you came for.
Faltharion Estidal
Lifeless Sun
#50 - 2013-06-22 20:05:53 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Faltharion Estidal wrote:

For Alara IonStorm and some of the coment's here http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

For Faltharion Estidal here http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1

Faltharion Estidal wrote:

To add something to the discussion, the way i see eve, is, your actions have consequences, if your a criminal, highsec should not be safe for you, at least is the impression i take at the current system in place.

It isn't safe, anyone can shoot at you without criminal consequence. If you shoot them you get Concorded.

Faltharion Estidal wrote:

I kinda don't get it why some people are getting up in arms over this, their will always be ganking, my question is why criminals aren't treated as criminal's.

Aren't treated as Criminals? Did you miss the part where you are allowed to kill them on sight? That is a pretty damn big consequence.


i disagree just, like the last post mentioned, and i did already try it, there's little consequence and you can efectivly live with a criminal status on highsec.

I do sense some hostility from you, my question remains, there hasn't been given a good reason why you should be able to dock with criminal status, it's simply a metagaming feature that player's are used too.

you said yourself, we can shoot criminals in highsec, that's one of the consequences, it's like their not meant to be there.

has for quoting me a logical falacy, i just pointed that out, cause you just seem to bash arguments ala strawman falacy, and contribute very little to the argument itself.

All i can sumarize so far is that because theres little consequence(if your docked you can't be shooted), some people even pointed out it gives them more targtets, is that sec status has little to no meaning. But that again is my opinion, i only asked why could they dock, cause it looks ilogical.

I don't even agree with malcanis point of view cause that can go many ways. we don't pay station services, we can instal a clone(not jump) independent of status the list goes on.
Alara IonStorm
#51 - 2013-06-22 20:20:37 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:

i disagree just, like the last post mentioned, and i did already try it, there's little consequence and you can efectivly live with a criminal status on highsec.

But can you?

I roll out of my station with +5 Sec Status in my Navy Scorpion and lumber to my Mission, maybe alt tab out on a gate to watch a YouTube Vid. -10'ers can't do that, they can't mine, they can't use heavy haulers and they can't sit still. They have to cruise from point to point in very fast, agile ships.

That isn't living that is running.

Faltharion Estidal wrote:

you said yourself, we can shoot criminals in highsec, that's one of the consequences, it's like their not meant to be there.

Almost but we both know they are. Why do we know that.

1. Concord doesn't kill them on sight.
2. Gates allow them through.
3. They can dock.

Faltharion Estidal wrote:

All i can sumarize so far is that because theres little consequence(if your docked you can't be shooted), some people even pointed out it gives them more targtets, is that sec status has little to no meaning. But that again is my opinion, i only asked why could they dock, cause it looks ilogical.

Again there is consequence in that everyone can shoot them. As for hiding in a station people can do that anywhere it is called a cloak.

You say it is illogical, then I say then remove faction police targeting them and leave to them simply losing Concord protection.

What consequence does that leave... Everyone can shoot them in space on a whim. Make use of that.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-06-22 20:26:54 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?



Why are rapists, child rapists, and murderers kept alive in prison, and released? Most criminals end up back in prison within 5 years. The simple answer is, EvE needs criminals, they provide something for the middle class to be scared of, which justifies the budget for concord.

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Faltharion Estidal
Lifeless Sun
#53 - 2013-06-22 20:38:51 UTC
"You say it is illogical, then I say then remove faction police targeting them and leave to them simply losing Concord protection."

That would probably make being a criminal far more interesting.

I can agree with you there
Sarcasim
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#54 - 2013-06-22 21:01:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Because Scotty prefers to keep the docking queue in order and really hates cleaning up scrap metal on the undocking ramp.
As long as they've shown that they can keep the finger off the trigger for long enough to not make a mess of his hangar bay, it's all ok by him.

As displayed by the post above, no one has a really good answer.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#55 - 2013-06-23 01:06:57 UTC
Sarcasim wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because Scotty prefers to keep the docking queue in order and really hates cleaning up scrap metal on the undocking ramp.
As long as they've shown that they can keep the finger off the trigger for long enough to not make a mess of his hangar bay, it's all ok by him.

As displayed by the post above, no one has a really good answer.


Here's a really good answer:

It's a waste of development time because you can board ships in space. Criminals aren't held to the same restraints as the "PvEer" imbeciles that live in high sec.
Skill Training Online
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-06-23 01:08:51 UTC
Criminals should not be able to dock ANYWHERE.

Thank You Obama!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#57 - 2013-06-23 09:48:49 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Sarcasim wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Because Scotty prefers to keep the docking queue in order and really hates cleaning up scrap metal on the undocking ramp.
As long as they've shown that they can keep the finger off the trigger for long enough to not make a mess of his hangar bay, it's all ok by him.

As displayed by the post above, no one has a really good answer.


Here's a really good answer:

It's a waste of development time because you can board ships in space. Criminals aren't held to the same restraints as the "PvEer" imbeciles that live in high sec.

Magically make them unable to board ships in space. Like what happens after you've ganked....

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Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Deepwater Hooligans
#58 - 2013-06-23 13:13:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tara Read
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


You can try and block me all you want. The day you stop relying on npc's to do the work for you to take care of a problem or provide you with "security" is the day you start actually playing Eve.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#59 - 2013-06-23 15:41:48 UTC
It's really simple. Players can shoot -10 any time they want.

Don't want -10s docking in your local station?

Stop them.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#60 - 2013-06-23 15:44:42 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
It's really simple. Players can shoot -10 any time they want.

Don't want -10s docking in your local station?

Stop them.


Whoooaa...slow down Speed Racer that would take 30 seconds of thought and would affect the isk/hr margin of veldspar.