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Do people here WANT connection with Dust?

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-06-22 05:00:34 UTC
From a business perspective Dust doesn't offer me any meaning. I can't get rich hiring mercenaries to take over planets, people in dust can't get rich working for me either.

As a person who is interested in crafting ships I'd like to get into moon mining, but that seems off limits unless you're the Mittani who effectively used propaganda to enslave thousands of people to fight wars for him. I'd like to be able to have planetary mining become equal to moon mining, and then give solo players an opportunity to hire mercs to fight, and when the battle is over I get my ore.

The way planetary interaction is done right now is meaningless to me, I am not going to train those skills for the next 30 days in order to make 15m a day, 15m a day is chump change in my mind, make it 100 million a day and now we're talking.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-06-22 05:20:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
Another point about PI, if I spend the time to train the skills thats 30 days, to me that is 1 plex or 550 million isk worth of training time. My potential income is 150 million isk per month estimate, it takes 4 months of PI to recover the 550 million isk of training time, this does not include the cost of setting up PI installations, and my time, which is more valuable.

My time can be spent running an incursion as a logistics pilot for 100m an hour, or mining in 0.0 for 50 million an hour. Alternatively, at $10.00 per hour, I could earn 1 plex every 2 hours working a job, if I invested 10 hours of income into eve online my networth would be 2.5 billion isk estimate, if I invested 10 hours of playing eve online I'd make 1 billion isk running incursions assuming everything goes perfect.


PI just isn't worth your time
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#63 - 2013-06-22 05:21:18 UTC
I would have to say yes to the OP's question regarding some things being EvE and some things being Dust.

New technology born from both sides could be switched to the other platform for the creation of new ships and modules that would not be possible without the other.

Capsuleers don't really understand what the EvE-Dust Hybrid is really about. Most just view it as gaming an a hassle.

But to the Master the EvE-Dust Hybrid is something more. The Hybrid is the linking of two totally separate gaming platforms into one environment.

The hybrid technology developed because of the EvE-Dust connection will eventually flow into the lives of other gamers and other computer systems.

EvE - Dust is on the edge of the unexplored technological realm which is awesome to be part of.

Just think sitting there many years from now hearing about young kids talking about Hybrid technology that will eventually allow Droid and I-Pad users to connect to PS4 Station and game on chat with you about EvE or Dust while they game on their I-pad or Droid while you engage in your environment on your PS4 where the rest of the corporation sends in reinforcements via the PC platform.

Who's to say that CCP won't eventually develop an I-Pad or Droid App where their manufacturers can bring up the production queue on their Droid setting up and maintaining manufacturing supply and demand while the rest of the corp mines on the PC Platform and you engage in missions on the surface of some god awful backwards planet that your CEO sent you to investigate because you missed a corp meeting.
Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2013-06-22 05:28:47 UTC
I do want more of a link between the two. But it has to be done in a way that enriches both games. So take it slow and do the meshing of the two games well and I don't see a problem with it. Glad the dev's aren't rushing things too fast too soon.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-06-22 06:12:38 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
I would have to say yes to the OP's question regarding some things being EvE and some things being Dust.

New technology born from both sides could be switched to the other platform for the creation of new ships and modules that would not be possible without the other.

Capsuleers don't really understand what the EvE-Dust Hybrid is really about. Most just view it as gaming an a hassle.

But to the Master the EvE-Dust Hybrid is something more. The Hybrid is the linking of two totally separate gaming platforms into one environment.

The hybrid technology developed because of the EvE-Dust connection will eventually flow into the lives of other gamers and other computer systems.

EvE - Dust is on the edge of the unexplored technological realm which is awesome to be part of.

Just think sitting there many years from now hearing about young kids talking about Hybrid technology that will eventually allow Droid and I-Pad users to connect to PS4 Station and game on chat with you about EvE or Dust while they game on their I-pad or Droid while you engage in your environment on your PS4 where the rest of the corporation sends in reinforcements via the PC platform.

Who's to say that CCP won't eventually develop an I-Pad or Droid App where their manufacturers can bring up the production queue on their Droid setting up and maintaining manufacturing supply and demand while the rest of the corp mines on the PC Platform and you engage in missions on the surface of some god awful backwards planet that your CEO sent you to investigate because you missed a corp meeting.


Hopefully I can earn enough isk to pay for a wife
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#66 - 2013-06-22 09:10:29 UTC
I say flip the f****** switch. Open it up and let it balance out now. DUST is not that fun as an FPS... the reviews suck, the driving sucks... there's a lot of problems. Merging any two economies is going to be traumatic and there are going to be winners and losers no matter what, but better to do it now when 4-6k people are playing at any given time as opposed to 50k. If DUST gets better and becomes a good FPS people will play and when the numbers go up there's going to be a lot more trauma economically. If DUST doesn't go anywhere and fails... well then who cares anyway?

Just do it already.

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Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#67 - 2013-06-22 09:23:07 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Miilla wrote:
What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game

My question is would you want impact?
That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.

Impact means both sides can benefit, and both sides can get screwed.
Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.

Yes definitely. CCP need to make Dust into something meaningful. Eve will survive without Dust just fine although it could certainly add to the Eve experience. But Dust on the other hand is dead in the water unless it can have some kind of meaningful interaction within the Eve Universe.
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
#68 - 2013-06-22 09:26:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Thebriwan
I see so much negative comments in this thread. This smells of much butt hurt.

First of all there is this vision of CCP: To do everything imaginable in the EVE universe.
Without that vision EVE would be dead already. Because it keeps CCP alive.

And there is the learning curve thing. Everyone has to master it, or fail.
CCP is no exception. If they want to expand on the EVE universe they have to try something.

Incarna failed, and nobody can say what will be the future of DUST.
But for EVE getting better and stronger, we need CCP to be healthy and strong, and they need to be more than "the company that once made EVE".
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2013-06-22 09:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
I would like to see a link that actually matters if there was a reason to believe that dust was here to stay. But since it's a game on a console that has reached the end of it's lifetime, please don't make Eve rely on Dust too much as it might just die out at some point.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-06-22 16:35:07 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I say flip the f****** switch. Open it up and let it balance out now. DUST is not that fun as an FPS... the reviews suck, the driving sucks... there's a lot of problems. Merging any two economies is going to be traumatic and there are going to be winners and losers no matter what, but better to do it now when 4-6k people are playing at any given time as opposed to 50k. If DUST gets better and becomes a good FPS people will play and when the numbers go up there's going to be a lot more trauma economically. If DUST doesn't go anywhere and fails... well then who cares anyway?

Just do it already.


remember this or this or this

so according to your logic, the initial poor reviews and low player numbers should have meant eve got shut down 8+ years ago.
remember that.
RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-06-22 16:42:41 UTC
To me, I was stoked when DUST came out but then it kinda went limp (for a lack of better words). Really if all I gain from DUST are PI stats then theres no use for it. Now if we can use them in other aspects like fighter flying or something like taking over a system. Then I would be rip roaring with support. Then there would be a use for them. Or maybe if I wanted to anchor a POS but had to have DUST players take it for me first......
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#72 - 2013-06-22 16:44:57 UTC
Thebriwan wrote:

Incarna failed, and nobody can say what will be the future of DUST.


With Destiny and Planetside 2 being released on the PS4 it is probably safe to assume what happens to Dust after the PS4 launches.
Alara IonStorm
#73 - 2013-06-22 16:45:03 UTC
I would like more interaction with Dust.

Since like 10 ISK is about how much an average family makes a year CCP allow me to hire and arm a twenty 10000 man divisions of soldiers for like 20 million ISK and drop them on a planet where Dust Bunnies are having their little Call of Duty Match ups.

Swarm the damn place. If I am going to take over a planet from the bridge of my 1.5 kilometer long 15 million ton Battleship it sure wouldn't look like a day in Blood Gulch, It would look like Space WWII Big smile...

I was honestly hopping we would send whole armies and check their progress like once a day. Resupply them with food, ammo, guns and reinforcements and make broad tactical plans. I was not expecting CoD in Space. /Sigh.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#74 - 2013-06-22 17:38:16 UTC
RAIN Arthie wrote:
To me, I was stoked when DUST came out but then it kinda went limp (for a lack of better words). Really if all I gain from DUST are PI stats then theres no use for it. Now if we can use them in other aspects like fighter flying or something like taking over a system. Then I would be rip roaring with support. Then there would be a use for them. Or maybe if I wanted to anchor a POS but had to have DUST players take it for me first......

I do believe the reason that so far they only mess with some PI benefits is because they're afraid of what EVE players would say if Dust actually had any effect.
"Oh you mean we need to talk to filthy console peasants to do stuff? How 'bout no?"
That's the general feel I get from the forums.
They WANT it to go further, but I think they're afraid of what would happen.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."

Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#75 - 2013-06-22 17:40:46 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
I would like more interaction with Dust.

Since like 10 ISK is about how much an average family makes a year CCP allow me to hire and arm a twenty 10000 man divisions of soldiers for like 20 million ISK and drop them on a planet where Dust Bunnies are having their little Call of Duty Match ups.

Swarm the damn place. If I am going to take over a planet from the bridge of my 1.5 kilometer long 15 million ton Battleship it sure wouldn't look like a day in Blood Gulch, It would look like Space WWII Big smile...

I was honestly hopping we would send whole armies and check their progress like once a day. Resupply them with food, ammo, guns and reinforcements and make broad tactical plans. I was not expecting CoD in Space. /Sigh.

That actually sounds awesome.
Give Dust players a job, they have a Planetside 2 sized battle (2000 man battles on HUGE terrain) and you have to supply them with resources or else they would be in disadvantage.
Food gives them extra health, ammo is ammo, guns are guns and reinforcements are respawns basically.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#76 - 2013-06-22 18:19:32 UTC
Miilla wrote:
What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game


I have, I have seen 300 blue background people "docked" in a station that spout weird nonsense all day in local Big smile , Like "NEED MIC PEEPAL" "STFU ***** THAT WAS MY KILL" "JOIN MAH CORP , BEST CORP" "NO! MINE IS DIE *****" "WHY CANT I MAKE MY BOOBS BIGGER??? " LOL N00b USE other ARMOR with blue rim" blah blah blah ...

been a while since I kept local open, I just minimize it ... Lol

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Rynn Vendran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-06-22 18:45:53 UTC
I tried DUST for the first time last week and while it certainly has the EVE aesthetic down, playing it just felt "wrong" somehow. Granted, most online FPS are relatively the same, but even with all EVE-centricites at play, it was pretty underwhelming.

Much rather get my paws on EVE VR. When, CCP? When?

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Souchek Lehman
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-06-22 19:13:15 UTC
I do yes.
Excited for them to expand the planetary conquest to other regions. Would also like more WIS.

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Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#79 - 2013-06-22 21:22:07 UTC
The markets should be connected...and I think it would be fun if you had the choice of either destroying a Titan (like no), or hijack it for yourself if your mercs win 2 out of 3 matches on that titan.
Ckra Trald
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-06-22 21:51:22 UTC
i love ccp is like let us add this features hue while ignoring core gameplay issues. ccp stop putting all of these damn "lel board titan lel board POS" while the game is still playing at the core as crap

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