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Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
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Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#1 - 2013-06-21 16:21:44 UTC
Do people here WANT connection with Dust?
And I mean ACTUAL connection, not the silly one. "Oh we can provide orbital support, but the NPC can do it too"

I saw a thread the other day on the Dust forums, explaining that CCP are basically in a design straightjacket.

Judy Maat wrote:
There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of:
"either game should be able to survive without the other one"

You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.


I kind of agree with him.


But here is the tricky part, would this community approve of this?
EVE requiring Dust for some things, and Dust requiring EVE for other?
Example being, can't do PI without Dust, but Dust can't profit from PI without EVE.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#2 - 2013-06-21 16:26:15 UTC
What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#3 - 2013-06-21 16:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Troll
Miilla wrote:
What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game

My question is would you want impact?
That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.

Impact means both sides can benefit, and both sides can get screwed.
Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#4 - 2013-06-21 16:29:49 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Miilla wrote:
What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game

My question is would you want impact?
That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.

Impact means both sides can gain, and both sides can get screwed.
Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.



That was my opinion...

Dust, don't care about consoles, console games nor console players.

I am quite happy they are in their walled garden and not in mine.

They can do what they want, as long as its not in my back yard.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#5 - 2013-06-21 16:34:33 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Cat Troll wrote:
Miilla wrote:
What's dust?

I never noticed any impact on my Eve game

My question is would you want impact?
That was the point of this thread, to gather opinions.

Impact means both sides can gain, and both sides can get screwed.
Both sides can get screwed is what I believe people are warry from.



That was my opinion...

Dust, don't care about consoles, console games nor console players.

I am quite happy they are in their walled garden and not in mine.

They can do what they want, as long as its not in my back yard.

http://www.wallgc.com/images/2012/12/pc-gaming-master-race-image-pc-gamers-desura.jpg

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#6 - 2013-06-21 16:35:27 UTC
I don't care about Dust. At all. So no, I do not desire more or better connectivity with Dust, but I do agree with the sentiment Eve should be able to survive without Dust. Vice-versa, not so much. I feel Dust is a spin-off and not on equal footing with the core game. It's the X-COM: Enforcer to the original X-COM.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#7 - 2013-06-21 16:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Troll
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
I don't care about Dust. At all. So no, I do not desire more or better connectivity with Dust, but I do agree with the sentiment Eve should be able to survive without Dust. Vice-versa, not so much. I feel Dust is a spin-off and not on equal footing with the core game. It's the X-COM: Enforcer to the original X-COM.

Hmm, that's a problem I feel.
Why isn't this game on equal footing?
It has a 10 year plan, it has much resources and money poured into it, it has as many adverts as EVE.
This really doesn't look like a spin off, this looks like another game that's supposed to enrich the experience for both sides.

Just my opinion though, keep posting, I want to get a consensus.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-21 16:45:27 UTC
I just want a deeper connection to humanity.
So, I guess, "No" would be the answer.
Quinn Corvez
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-21 16:46:50 UTC
I couldn't care less about dust because it could never compete with the likes of CoD and BF.

Maybe if CCP didn't sink so much money into it they could have used that money to make walk in stations a worthwhile experience but no, they decided to try and compete with the big boys in the, already saturated, console shooter market. It was never going to end well for them.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#10 - 2013-06-21 16:51:18 UTC
I don't give two rat turds about Dust. Lol

So no, I'm not really looking for more interatcion with it, and if CCP wishes to push it, that's fine, but I will completely and utterly ignore it.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-06-21 16:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Drax Concrilla
Preface: I was an avid supporter of DUST and have eagerly waited 4 years for it to come out and now that it is out - I don't even play it anymore, so much was done wrong and too much time and resources were focused on inconsequential things such as how it looks rather than the important aspects of a shooter: gameplay - specifically hit detection and vehicle handling.

If it could be done effectively, yes I would actually like deeper integration with DUST - that was the whole point of this experiment was it not? As it currently is I'd rather kill DUST. Neither party is benefiting greatly. Heck, even integrating the economies would be great. However, since DUST isn't truly built on the EVE SP system like it should be (imho) we can never have true integration without a massive rework of how DUST works - it is indeed a little brother spin off game rather than an equal as it was envisioned.

As for Orbital Strikes - the player generated ones are more powerful than the NPC barge ones - so there's at least some incentive for us to rain death.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#12 - 2013-06-21 16:59:59 UTC
Drax Concrilla wrote:
Preface: I was an avid supporter of DUST and have eagerly waited 4 years for it to come out and now that it is out - I don't even play it anymore, so much was done wrong and too much time and resources were focused on inconsequential things such as how it looks rather than the important aspects of a shooter: gameplay - specifically hit detection and vehicle handling.

If it could be done effectively, yes I would actually like deeper integration with DUST - that was the whole point of this experiment was it not? As it currently is I'd rather kill DUST. Neither party is benefiting greatly. Heck, even integrating the economies would be great. However, since DUST isn't truly built on the EVE SP system like it should be (imho) we can never have true integration without a massive rework of how DUST works - it is indeed a little brother spin off game rather than an equal as it was envisioned.

As for Orbital Strikes - the player generated ones are more powerful than the NPC barge ones - so there's at least some incentive for us to rain death.

Not by a whole lot, tbh
If its infantry, you're dead no matter what.
If its a tank, then its the difference between a dead tank and a heavily wouned one.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#13 - 2013-06-21 17:15:42 UTC
No, not really. I want WiS for my toon. Maybe WoD if it will be like EVE in vampire environment with comparable quality of avatars. And Dust is just wasting of CCP's resources: even if it will be ported to PC I won't play it (there are better shooters) and won't participate in Dust activities within EVE (what for?)
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#14 - 2013-06-21 17:18:06 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
No, not really. I want WiS for my toon. Maybe WoD if it will be like EVE in vampire environment with comparable quality of avatars. And Dust is just wasting of CCP's resources: even if it will be ported to PC I won't play it (there are better shooters) and won't participate in Dust activities within EVE (what for?)

Ding ding ding!
If people don't want proper integration, there will never be something to do with Dust players that is worthwhile.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#15 - 2013-06-21 17:19:16 UTC
I saw some Dust players in local the other day.

I think that until they can remove their helmets for the portrait shot, they will never integrate properly into New Eden.

Mr Epeen Cool
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#16 - 2013-06-21 17:22:05 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I saw some Dust players in local the other day.

I think that until they can remove their helmets for the portrait shot, they will never integrate properly into New Eden.

Mr Epeen Cool

That might be a problem since they will all look the same.
From Dust lore, all the clones are exactly the same, only enhanced for combat.
They don't need to look good like capsuleers, since they die a lot more, meaning its more expensive.

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#17 - 2013-06-21 17:22:23 UTC
Nope. Don't have a PS3, don't plan on getting one, and wouldn't play Dust if I did.

Total waste of CCP's resources. The sooner they bury this corpse and use the resources they are wasting on Dust on either EVE or WoD, the better.
Bloody Wench
#18 - 2013-06-21 17:22:43 UTC
I went through a system once that had a bunch of pilots with a blue glow around their names in local, I was happy that the display bug fixed itself when I jumped out.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-06-21 17:25:51 UTC
I really don't care about Dust, but i guess i wish it the best of luck and i hope one day i can hire dust bunnies to bash a POS.
Bloody Wench
#20 - 2013-06-21 17:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Nope. Don't have a PS3, don't plan on getting one, and wouldn't play Dust if I did.

Total waste of CCP's resources. The sooner they bury this corpse and use the resources they are wasting on Dust on either EVE or WoD, the better.



Vampire craze/fad is over, or at the very least in decline. Releasing a vampire based game now is just stupid. It's too late to cash in on it.

Yo-Yo and hula hoops haven't been a thing for a while, but they always come around periodically for a short time. CCP should make a game that centres on a Yo-Yo and hula hoops and just sit on it until the next cycle.

[u]**Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote: **[/u]  CCP should not only make local delayed in highsec, but they should also require one be undocked to use it. Then, even the local spammers have some skin in the game. Support a High Resolution Texture Pack
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