EVE General Discussion

I did.

He even listed what you earn on every mission.

I must be playing a different game, cause for me i make 40M max per hour doing level4 mission. Do you salvage as well?

Had to double check it was not Ruby Porto posting something like this, but alas...


Three keywords in PvE:

1) Learning
2) Progression
2) Farm status


1) Players start the game and learn how to do missions. The more they repeat the same content, the more they learn how to do it efficiently and to gear up accordingly.
Level 1 - 3 are done for a relatively short amount of time, without picking the greatest ships or fittings, without knowing triggers etc. well (yet) and there are no warp scramblers etc.

Put a PvE veteran to do say a L3: he'll certainly NOT play like a 1 month old player nor will pick the same ammo or gear.

2) As players get experienced and richer, they may also pick better stuff to do the same content more efficiently.

A guy who is doing his first L4 might do it with meta 4 guns, easy to break shield, low resists ship... He's not going to make the billions a day.

Enter the veteran with marauder, officer fit and whatever... and we get to 3)

3) Players don't sit doing L1 - L3 for longer than strictly needed, these missions don't get farmed. L4's are the "last stop" (for hi sec at least) and thus players keep repeating them for months. What happens is easy to see:

- The player learns every subtle trick, even per each mission.
- His gear and SP improve. The same Angel Extravaganza that gave headaches and took 2 hours, after a while takes 25 minutes in a faction+ gank setup.
- Basically it's like the other MMOs: once on farm status and with great gear, the non scaling content becomes stale and on heavy farm status. It's easy to see the ISK x hour double or triple.

You can't punish players for farming stale content made so many years ago, if anything they should get new challenges (the epic arcs were a start but of course those venues are now discontinued.



Now, try doing L3s in the officer fit marauder and see if you still make 8M per hour. No, eh? Nerf L3 then?

I feel back in 2007 ... What´s next? People complaining of Local , AFk Cloakers, Null Plexes Farming by Bots ... oh wait ...

The only thing that needs to be really nerf to the ground in this game is multiboxing with tier programs then come on forums claim they make 100M/ hour in high sec running lvl4 missions or whatever amount doing whatever crap in game they do.

Eve is probably the MMO having the highest number of characters multibox playing in different areas of the game considering the total number of active players per 24H

What a nice joke "multiboxed space ship alts online"

No. All it prove is that the stuff is available in Jita. It's definately not high sec mission runner's fault if all that low/null sec loot ends up in high sec. Anyone can buy a few plex for real money and trasform them into a faction fit pwnmobile.

The income retardation come from min amxer pushing the enveloppe in a min maxer game. It you just prevent blitzing in missions by lets say forcing everyone to kill all enemy in every single pockets before they can turn in the mission, you would slow down the income by a good margin since every single high isk.hours mission runner keep always saying the money is in LP and to stop clearing the pockets and blitz all the time.

FFS the reason of why it goes so high is written all over the boards. THE MONEY IS IN LP REWARDS. This mean you have to deal with the LP. The LP store even eliminate ISK from the game to counter some inflation so maybe we can kill 2 birds with one stone by tweaking stuff there too?

Terrible thread every time it's brought up

To think this thread serves any purpose we have to :

- ignore all other sources of income (just to mention one out of tens of methods, character sales will get you insane isk)
- skip over the insane isk generation of level 5s (lollerskates graph)
- believe the numbers are flat and every pilot can do this
- not think that the alt accounts used actually divide this figure by the number of characters employed
- skip over the disastrous negative standings you run up with the other factions
- really have our panties in a twist about others creating a below average income for a lot of time actually logged into the game (you know, many passive incomes pay out better and you don't need to for grind hours)

And so, op looks like a complete tool and so will every poster that wants things nerfed that are already so low we wonder what the point is.

Only question I have is about blitzing. Thought CCP fixed that already? Did they just acknowledge it as not actually fix it?

I have a screenshot somewhere... ah, here it is. made this in an hour of level 4s. even caught a suspect!

I LOVE LAMP
Am I doing this right?

risk vs reward. enemies abound part 5 puts out 3000 omni dps if you fall behind waves, I'd say 60mil is appropriate when it takes a well-skilled battleship pilot to stay ahead of the waves consistently.

that mission in particular has timed waves, so if you have to warp out, you'll have the whole mission waiting for you when you get back. it would take a well coordinated RR gang to get a foothold in it after that point.