EVE General Discussion

So what, everyone here is like that.

No, I think you're confusing the issue.

Baltec doesn't want to have to spend 50% of his time in highsec to make money. He likes nullsec, and in COMPARISON to highsec it should be viable, but it's not.

I see one area of space that, in terms of it's isk/risk ratio, is a much more attractive prospect than the other 4 areas of space.

This isn't entirely analgous to ship balancing. For example, the Rifter was much, much better than any other frigate. So CCP buffed the others, and (imo too hard), nerfed the Rifter.

But you can't do that with income. Nullsec is about as high as it can get, they've made that clear not only with nearly a decade worth of nerfs, but with outright statements. They cannot buff null without breaking the game. And inflation is bad, no ifs ands or buts. Less money is the solution, not more.

So, you have 1 thing that is overpowered compared to 4 things. 2 of those 4 things cannot be buffed without becoming OP themselves.

Ergo, your only choice is to nerf the 1. The nail that stands up gets pounded down.

• Removal of interesting loot
• Overabundance of prop mods
• Reduction of blitzing by NPC-locking more gates
• Improvement of NPC AI making tank+spank or DPS+logi pairs redundant

Of course you also need to look at how some folks are making their 40M ISK/hr: are they killing everything and looting/salvaging? Are they blitzing and making ISK in LP/hr?

What is an acceptable level of income in ISK/hr? What kind of fitting is that based on? Should blitzing be rewarded or punished? What is your 30% nerf based on? Perhaps you just want to keep nerfing any hisec income until people are forced into lowsec and null?

What is the problem that you are trying to address, and what do you expect the outcome of your solution to be?

So that's the only way null is viable? If you personally don't see any other attractive options?

And we balance the game around this? Perception?

And I don't even want to go down this road of stated facts like "null sec is about as high as it can get" and confusing the entire development of the game with "a decade worth of nerfs".

It is viable. There is plenty of isk to be made in null, it's just COMPETITIVE.

And if it wasn't, nerfing another activity in the game won't make it so.

Do they not teach logic in schools anymore?

Apples and oranges. Changing one will have no impact on the other.

-High sec always has been and always will be the perceived preferred option of isk making because of RISK LEVELS not ISK LEVELS.

-null sec always has been and always will be the better source of ISK. The simple evidence for this is every eve empire that has ever existed.

lvl4 have been nerfed many times, bounties first, loot drops in quantity first, later on nerfed again when they made Meta1+ stuff refine into 50% of their minerals (some people still get surprised when they hear this...), then again loot drops when they removed Meta0, cap boosters and drone poo.
they been nerfed again with the stupid original FW buff, for over a year highsec LP was worthless, even now implants, ships and modules are insanely expensive on the mission store with meager profit margins that exist only because the dude sitting on 500k implants allows it.

and yeah some people might say "oh but i get X for my lp, and i do fine..." go check that same item compared to the FW store and cry... your lp gain is a joke compared to what the FW people get with their stabbed afk ships.

nerfed when drone boats were made crap, nerfed with the elite lvl ewar that you wont find not even in lowsec DED complexes. nerfed when tengus became crap compared to the OP NPC killing machines they were before, nerfed when machs started to actually have TO fly towards the stuff they were shooting at... instead of just MWDing to the gate.

annndd... yeah, they were also nerfed indirectly when CCP added ABCs making highsec ganking with low numbers a very profitable reality.

and the loot... oh the loot... meta stuff refines into 50% minerals as i already said... this means a lot of people prefer to sell their meta drops, and since they are all that drops, means that meta 1 to 3 sell on the market slightly over mineral value... which is 50% that of Tech1 modules!

meta 4 is genuinely rare and sees a lot of use. but apart from the rare DCU, arbalest or prototype rail everything is crap.


and as for your suggestion, why don't we buff LP gains in lowsec another 20%?

would that do the trick? after all, Fw pretty much made the lvl4 lp worthless.

here's an idea, how about we make stabs give +2 warp strength? would that do it? after all, if its easier for lowsec to produce LP then the highsec LP is even more worthless.

Are you high? That's precisely the case. If nullsec cannot compete with highsec, and you can't buff nullsec, then nerfing high quite literally will make null competitive.

And, again, it is not about just null.

Highsec outdoes the other areas of the game as well. It shouldn't be allowed to, especially since it is so much safer with so much less potential costs and losses.



Everything in EVE is interconnected. It's one of the selling points of game, for goodness sake. Where did you conjure this idea that null and high are seperate and do not interact at all?

Loot nerfs also happened in null.

AI changes also happened in null.

L5s were intended to be low sec in the first place.

drone goo nerf also happened in null to a much greater degree.

Moving agents around is not a nerf, they infact were buffed as CCP got rid of the poor agaents and replaced them with perfect agents.

SOE is still available to everyone.

You do realise that comment was sarcastic right? Alavaria is our most beloved sarcastic poster.

As for our ability, we have no issues with making isk in null, there is just no point in doing it when high sec offer the same isk for near no risk and a lot less effort. Or in the case of incursions, better isk than in null sec.

Again, you're doing it wrong.

We got tech nerfed. We were the ones who pointed out the FW exploit to CCP, we were the ones who stopped titans online and supercaps online. We are the most active in ship balance testing.

Our organisation has the best track record for pushing for things for the betterment of the game. Hell half the time we are nerfing ourselves.