EVE General Discussion

No. I have worked in IT for 10 years that requires me to talk with customers pretty much 8 hours a day and then communicate those problems to other departments. Gotten promotions and raises. Even held a supervisory position for 2 years before moving on to other companies.

But I can tell you might be getting mad.

Sorry, it wasn't clear to me that you were actually saying that this might cause problems down the road...

But even that statment requires evidence. Not only that it is a problem and that inflation in an economy with 0% unemployement is a bad thing.

I could turn this around and tell you why many Economists think inflation is a good thing and that deflation breaks economies, but last time I did that someone got angry and posted how the Federal Reserve was evil and that they hoard gold and guns for the upcoming appocalypse and that got the thread locked.

But anyways... The first step of critical thinking is that you ask for evidence to back up a claim that has been made to you.

I know most people don't do it, but if you practice such behavior then you will get far in life.

What will get you even farther is if you take your own statements and check for evidence. They call it "testing a hypothesis" in the scientific community in which you check to see if you were actually right.

If you are used to making statements with assumptions, then you probaly won't see any use in this.

But trust me.... It matters.

Personally I'm not saying that its balanced or balanced either way. Personally I'm fine with the way things are, but I don't know if they are broken or not. I would guess neither do you.

So if you are going to say "changes need to be made" then you need to explain why and then back that why up with evidence.

My argument is that the numbers you linked do not show me any substantiated reason to believe EVE's economy is in trouble or that there is too much money in the economy. It does show me more money is made than destroyed which makes sense as if it weren't that way money would eventually go null.

That also isn't evidence. Its statistics. Statistics you're trying to use as evidence to support a claim you wish to imply as fact.

And when its rejected you want me to prove your unsubstantiated assertion isn't true.

As easily as you can insinuate nerfing missions I can insinuate increasing sinks.

Still back to the strawman.

What difference does it make where the money goes? And what in the evidence leads you to a different conclusion than there being an imbalance? Also, what makes you think that the money would go to null?

…or do you mean /dev/null?

Statistics is evidence — it fits very neatly into the categories of “data sheets, reports, whatever have you”.

Not quite. Your specific evidence shows sinks and faucets. It does not show evidence of a problem. It is nothing more than the lines in the ledger. it is not a detailed study and analysis of the health of EVE's economy.

It doesn't demonstrate missions to be a problem. It does demonstrate bounties are the largest source of wealth creation. It doesn't show whether those bounties were earned in high, low or null.

This is not a strawman argument.

I'm sorry, but that's typical of what I say is your problem.

When did I make a generalization? I compared you directly to IT guys I'VE dealt with. When did I say "all IT guys"?

You see, you did it again, you made an assumption when I said nothing of the sort. Don't you see your problem?

That's like my wife saying "the bills are paid and we have gas in our tanks". That's fine, but do we wait till we are evicted and jobless to look at our long term financial situation? As I asked the other guy, do you fix a roof at the 1st leak or wait till it caves in on you.

Just last year Soundwave (I think it was him, i have the video somewhere) was talking 10% bounty cuts across the board. I'd rather other measures be looked at before cross the board emergency cuts are needed.

Eh. When I started, trit sat at 2.7 and pye at 5, and a month of subscription set you back 90M ISK…

In fact, if we look at the indices from when you started, there has been massive inflation, but as luck would have it, if we look at it from when I did, it's not quite as severe… The all-time low was somewhere in mid-2010 IIRC.

Sure it does. Just in and of itself, it's evidence of a massive imbalance between incoming and outgoing ISK. Combine this with the statistics on losses, and it shows evidence of an imbalance between ISK production and contribution to demand.

So you're still slashing away at the strawman…

Also, you didn't answer the questions: what difference do you believe it make where the money goes? And what in the evidence leads you to a different conclusion than there being an imbalance? Also, what makes you think that the money would go to null?

"I have to meet an IT guy" implies all of them that you have met which sounds like you believe that all IT people will be this way that you meet. The statement also sounds like a dare of sorts. That you are daring the world to come up with an IT guy that is not this way because you seriously doubt it.

If you said, "You are just like the other IT guy I have met" instead then there wouldn't an implied view of generalization.

I think your problem is that you word your words in such a way that you aren't really aware of what you are implying or saying for that matter.

That's really the main point. If high sec consumption numbers (either from pve or pvp) were better, I'd not think there was a potential problem down the road.

The chart does not show what security space the largest wealth creation (bounties) come from. How have we arrived at the conclusion hisec is the problem?

Nullsec bounty payouts are x3-x4 more than hisec per kill.