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CSM townhall and T3's

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Leskit
Pure Victory
#121 - 2013-07-17 17:19:19 UTC
Kira Hhallas wrote:
You say, the price is about 750 mill.... for the ship ? Nice...
the 3% Imps are more or less cheap ( günstig ) ....
Hmmm... All lvl 5 okay.. does the results change much if you use your char instead of all lvl 5 ?

Is see no tengus :-(

Thank you for the work.
But i see nice results for 750 mil. ISK ....


The legion fits are all ones that I own; I lose about 20 dps (no pulse laser spec V), and 0.2km less falloff on short range ammo. Tank remains the same. I'm really just guessing on the price…it could be double that, but amarr faction mods are nice and cheap.
Bamsey Amraa wrote:
Why noany speak about range of fire on the Proteus vs others T3? Before proteus can make any damage the others T3s can open fire, scram, web and even run away with 100mn AB. Why noany speak how easy take off that " overpovered" dps just by using neutralizers (yep cap needed for shoot ;p )

The range at which you can start firing on a proteus is less than a laser leigon, definitely. My experience is that on wormhole jumps, your first MWD pulse gets you to within firing range so it becomes a moot point. You can choose when to decloak so that you're in range. Again, this is just my experience.
I've been neuted so many times that I almost stopped flying laser legions in exchange for ham legions. Everything is turned off, people still die :P
Rails are getting their balance, have patience. I'd love to see medium beams get a pass too, they aren't very good either.
Rek Seven wrote:
Overpowered or under-powered, it's all relative.
Bingo! I'm not trying to make them all the same. The proteus, like the moros, is just better enough than the others in enough situations to make me go "huh, should it be that way?" I can link all the fits I own and fly, and the prot fits that my corpmates fly if you'd like.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-07-18 06:18:28 UTC
Bamsey Amraa wrote:
Try use that battlecruiser with dreads shooting to you on the grid. T3 are a lot better than BC in that case ;).... But now i go to try fit Astarte or Vigilant with 800kk fit ;)))

obviously no one in theyre right mind is going to use that BC fit, that's not the point.
the fact that you can fit a ship that's a full two tech levels lower than a legion to have comparable stats at the same cost is kinda funny to me tbh and a good indicator of why the legion is **** poor for a T3.

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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#123 - 2013-07-18 06:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Thats why i ask for fittings. I also dont understand this OP discussin.
Well Cloaky / Null Tech3 Ships are mean. But you can shoot them down ... and if the pilot is solo, he never get a fair fight :-P
I tried this so many times solo with my HAM Tengu. Forget it. they will throw caps after you in some LS systems...

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And thank you for the fits....
Maybe there are also equal Fittings from other BC.
To show its possible to "beat" T3 ships...

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#124 - 2013-07-18 06:56:19 UTC
Kira Hhallas wrote:
Maybe there are also equal Fittings from other BC.
To show its possible to "beat" T3 ships...

you don't need any 'special fits' to beat T3s.
just shoot them and you'll find they explode just as easily as any other ship.

As for cloaky T3s, theyre universally horrible for solo fights.
The prot is by far the best but it still just dies to anything shield tanked with a mwd.
Hell, ive killed a cloaky loki solo with my hurricane (pre nerf to be fair) while his alt in a cloaky tengu was also shooting me.

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Kira Hhallas
Very Drunken Eve Flying Instructors
Brotherhood Of Silent Space
#125 - 2013-07-18 07:19:52 UTC
Thats right Clokay Tengus are nice for hit und run, but in a fight they are fast down....

I used Cloaky Tengu as ReconShis, with nice DPS or as an ´ratting tengu if we had a NullSec wormhole.
But after i lost some Tengus in pvp i dont use them any more. The SkillLoss is uninteresting.
I have more fun with a HAM drake or HAM Nighthawk... and they are cheaper.

So why we discuss about OP Tech3 ships, if we found out that Tech3 ships are not realy OP ?
Give me a hint. Can it be, that Tech3 Fleet a better trained and have more experence than other fleets ?

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#126 - 2013-07-21 01:04:34 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts (and those that quoted them) and let some edge cases stay.
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Yuan Taizu
#127 - 2013-07-21 15:06:55 UTC
I think CCP will do the right thing and look into T2 re-balancing before they start any serious discussions on T3 ships. The nullifier might be OP, but if they were to remove that subsystem, at least give blockade runners the nullified ability!

And one more thing..more of a request. CCP, please give covert fitted T3's the same jump effect as bombers and blockade runners, PLEASE!