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The last bit of consequence was the T3 rebalance. Citing a post CCP made about looking into a nerf, someone asked the CSM what they thought. Ripard and Chitsa agreed that cloaky T3s are overpowered in their present configuration, and Chitsa added that boosting T3s are unbalanced as well. I said I'd like it if they scaled worse, so they were a good small gang option but HAMgus were less attractive. James said that he thought the T2 cruiser balancing should come before any serious T3 rebalance, as the big issue for k-space is how the two ship classes interact. Chitsa lamented the potential effect on W-space income if T3 demand was nerfed, and mynnna suggested that the T3s would fit better in the utility role they were advertised for. We could have gone on for longer (and the conversation continued after), but the time demanded we move on.
Link: http://themittani.com/features/csm-8-first-town-hall

Can someone explain to me why our representatives think cloaky T3's are OP?

Also, i see very little activity from Chitsa and James on these forums. Does anyone know if either of these two have a list somewhere, of features/changes that they are trying to get CCP to implement?

cloaky T3s might be OP because they can be cloaky and have both higher dps and tank than a HAC...

Hopefully T3s will get rebalanced only after HACs and CSs are done. Until then it seems pointless and silly to me.

Also, a T3 costs 3-5 times what a HAC costs, and you risk some skill loss. It ought to be at least a bit better than a HAC. But I agree that the t2 changes should be made 1st, it wouldn't make sense to try and balance the t3's without knowing what the t2 changes will be.

First off I have to say I am extremely disappointed with our WH CSM members on this topic. There is already lots of public outcry over the "OP T3" situation and that they have to be nerfed into the ground. Some may be justified, much of it is not. Part of this problem is that many who are screaming nerf often do not even fly T3's. And many who do seem to understand that for HAC's as an example, the bigger issue is the T2 HAC's and not just the T3's

By having our CSM members basically agreeing publicly on this subject so early on, it lends more weight than it should to the nerf idea. It's one thing to have the uneducated masses crying out, but another when our "elected officials" agreeing with them.

At the very least I think the appropriate answer should be "yes there are balance issues, but we should all hold judgement until the T2 balance pass and go from there"

As to the actual issue, it is a tough call. As a cloaky HAC, the T3 has nothing to compare it to, as there is no T2 HAC variant.

As to the cloaky T3 "recon" vs T2 recons, I honestly haven't played around to feel comfortable comparing. I will say as an example at all 5, a cloaky tengu "falcon" gets a longer jam range, but the jam strength is half that of a falcon. So while there may be an imbalance, I'm sure in time those can be adjusted appropriately.

You can't even make a proper T3 version of the falcon as the jam strength sub-system is the same slot as the cloaky one.

The prot doesn't have as long point range bonus as an arazu and neither does the loki get the web range of a rapier, can't remember the legion v pilgrim off the top of my head.

Unless the price of the ships drops hugely (and I don't think thats a good thing at all) then any significant nerf to their survivability will reduce their useage a lot also which isn't a good thing either.

"James said that he thought the T2 cruiser balancing should come before any serious T3 rebalance"

Have you unplugged your Reading hardwiring or what just happened there?

Of course it can. Neuting-sub is electronic and can be combined with the drone offensive sub or the cloaky one.

+1

From looking at more general posts on the subject of cloaky T3s it seems a lot of the reason people are asking for a wholesale nerf to cloaky T3s is due to small areas of the game where they are overpowered, just that small area of the game makes up a large part of those people's day to day life in Eve. i.e. people who like to camp null entry gates see dozens of cloaky nullified t3s escape them daily and are bitter about it.

Not really, no, especially not in cloaky form. A cloaky Proteus will do ~100dps more than a cloaky Tengu. The Tengu also can't fit anywhere near as obscene a buffer tank as the armor T3s can.