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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-21 17:14:39 UTC
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Go scouting around. See what people are doing.


Did actually do that, spent quite some time trying to tie down some ship locations in the Maila system near a jumpgate. Spend a lot of time using D-scan and probes.

Looked like a frigate and a jump freighter left in space around a tower. However when I warped in to investigate further I found them protected by a shield and several gun turrets. Had to run at that point.

Annoying


I was there when some of my friends have discovered POS towers / POS bubbles for the first time. Most of them said loudly "wow!". They were full of excitement later when we did something as simple as erecting our own space structures. And then they went all over the systems and tried to discover another POSes, some of them has been almost killed, and their reaction was "lol that was fun!"

I'm trying to imagine you in real life, and I see a meadow full of flowers, with waterfall nearby, birds singing, maybe with a vulcan somewhere far on the horizon to make it a bit adventurous. And you , wandering around aimlessly, with an expressions of total boredom in the middle of so many miracles.


but I was hoping to loot the ships I've discovered, not having to run away from bot defences. Yeah its interesting but its not good for me when I can't really do anything because I'm broke and are trying to find something to loot/steal or kill in a frigate.

Yeah this game is great but when you can't even afford to replace that cruiser you've just lost then finding fun things to do becomes secondary to trying to stay economically viable.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-06-21 17:20:29 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
You should proablly just unsub right now and save your money for some other MMO. Unbelieveable the mass exodus from wow has created a steady flow of these crap posts. CCP should implement some sort of screening process before somebody downlaods eve.


1. Registering an account with CCP (Please note if you were a previous Blizzard account holder you will NOT be allowed to register with CCP)


I've never played WOW, indeed this is the first mmo that has really got me to subscribe. I've tried various f2p MMOs but none have really won me over. I've tried LOTRO, conan online, Dungeons and Dragons online and none of them have been than interested. TOR was good for a time but I was there more for the story than died off as it when on so that didn't work.

Look the main multiplayer game I've been playing up to this point is world of tanks.
Velarra
#23 - 2013-06-21 17:44:21 UTC
Welcome to New Eden.

Unlike any many, many, other mmos, particularly the ones mentioned, you carve out your own entertainment in Eve. It's still snowing in New Eden, and people still walk up and down the cliff. In near-arctic like conditions. Survival, entertainment and prosperity are found through working with other players, knowingly or otherwise. There is no theme park. CCP even has a video that rather sums things up concerning the nature of Eve:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#24 - 2013-06-21 17:59:55 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Go scouting around. See what people are doing.


Did actually do that, spent quite some time trying to tie down some ship locations in the Maila system near a jumpgate. Spend a lot of time using D-scan and probes.

Looked like a frigate and a jump freighter left in space around a tower. However when I warped in to investigate further I found them protected by a shield and several gun turrets. Had to run at that point.

Annoying


I was there when some of my friends have discovered POS towers / POS bubbles for the first time. Most of them said loudly "wow!". They were full of excitement later when we did something as simple as erecting our own space structures. And then they went all over the systems and tried to discover another POSes, some of them has been almost killed, and their reaction was "lol that was fun!"

I'm trying to imagine you in real life, and I see a meadow full of flowers, with waterfall nearby, birds singing, maybe with a vulcan somewhere far on the horizon to make it a bit adventurous. And you , wandering around aimlessly, with an expressions of total boredom in the middle of so many miracles.


but I was hoping to loot the ships I've discovered, not having to run away from bot defences. Yeah its interesting but its not good for me when I can't really do anything because I'm broke and are trying to find something to loot/steal or kill in a frigate.

Yeah this game is great but when you can't even afford to replace that cruiser you've just lost then finding fun things to do becomes secondary to trying to stay economically viable.



Wait ...waht? You wanted to loot someone's JF just because you found it?....and you didn't notice the force field from the pos on d-scan...oh my...

Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-21 18:08:57 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:



Wait ...waht? You wanted to loot someone's JF just because you found it?....and you didn't notice the force field from the pos on d-scan...oh my...

Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



They've been there for 2 days or more so I was hoping that the owners had forgotten them. Yes I could see that there was a control tower but I didn't realise that it projected a shield and the gun turrets in the area hadn't shown up so I was hoping it was an undefended postion relying on stealth.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#26 - 2013-06-21 19:11:16 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:



Wait ...waht? You wanted to loot someone's JF just because you found it?....and you didn't notice the force field from the pos on d-scan...oh my...

Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



They've been there for 2 days or more so I was hoping that the owners had forgotten them. Yes I could see that there was a control tower but I didn't realise that it projected a shield and the gun turrets in the area hadn't shown up so I was hoping it was an undefended postion relying on stealth.



You've got time to monitor a POS for days via d-scan to see if it's ok to approach a jf to loot it, but not enough time to go out in Venture and mine for an hour or two or to run a few missions, because those things are boring. Therefore you have no money and this game has nothing for you to do.

Okay.


> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#27 - 2013-06-21 20:22:51 UTC
RomeStar wrote:
You should proablly just unsub right now and save your money for some other MMO. Unbelieveable the mass exodus from wow has created a steady flow of these crap posts. CCP should implement some sort of screening process before somebody downlaods eve.


1. Registering an account with CCP (Please note if you were a previous Blizzard account holder you will NOT be allowed to register with CCP)


About half of my EVE friends were Blizzard account holders, at least one still actively plays WoW, he is a lowsec/nullsec explorer and pvper. I've spent years in miscellaneous themepark games, having real blast (although EVE suits me more). And also, I sometimes play Spider Solitaire on my mobile, would you please allow me to fly at least Velator?
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#28 - 2013-06-21 20:27:29 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

Wait ...waht? You wanted to loot someone's JF just because you found it?....and you didn't notice the force field from the pos on d-scan...oh my...

Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



Wtf? Seriously man, you are talking to a newbie, how the hell is he supposed to know what a force field is? I for one am extremely happy that he uses dscan, I didn't know what that thing is for first several months of my EVE life. And that included few weeks in WH.
(not gonna say I'm not dumb tho...)
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#29 - 2013-06-21 20:51:25 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Go scouting around. See what people are doing.


Did actually do that, spent quite some time trying to tie down some ship locations in the Maila system near a jumpgate. Spend a lot of time using D-scan and probes.

Looked like a frigate and a jump freighter left in space around a tower. However when I warped in to investigate further I found them protected by a shield and several gun turrets. Had to run at that point.

Annoying


I was there when some of my friends have discovered POS towers / POS bubbles for the first time. Most of them said loudly "wow!". They were full of excitement later when we did something as simple as erecting our own space structures. And then they went all over the systems and tried to discover another POSes, some of them has been almost killed, and their reaction was "lol that was fun!"

I'm trying to imagine you in real life, and I see a meadow full of flowers, with waterfall nearby, birds singing, maybe with a vulcan somewhere far on the horizon to make it a bit adventurous. And you , wandering around aimlessly, with an expressions of total boredom in the middle of so many miracles.


but I was hoping to loot the ships I've discovered, not having to run away from bot defences. Yeah its interesting but its not good for me when I can't really do anything because I'm broke and are trying to find something to loot/steal or kill in a frigate.

Yeah this game is great but when you can't even afford to replace that cruiser you've just lost then finding fun things to do becomes secondary to trying to stay economically viable.


POS is not bot defenses.

You are now just classed as a troll and a fail one.

0/10

Like Rome Star said...unsub and go to wow.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-06-21 20:57:04 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Marc Callan wrote:
Go scouting around. See what people are doing.


Did actually do that, spent quite some time trying to tie down some ship locations in the Maila system near a jumpgate. Spend a lot of time using D-scan and probes.

Looked like a frigate and a jump freighter left in space around a tower. However when I warped in to investigate further I found them protected by a shield and several gun turrets. Had to run at that point.

Annoying


I was there when some of my friends have discovered POS towers / POS bubbles for the first time. Most of them said loudly "wow!". They were full of excitement later when we did something as simple as erecting our own space structures. And then they went all over the systems and tried to discover another POSes, some of them has been almost killed, and their reaction was "lol that was fun!"

I'm trying to imagine you in real life, and I see a meadow full of flowers, with waterfall nearby, birds singing, maybe with a vulcan somewhere far on the horizon to make it a bit adventurous. And you , wandering around aimlessly, with an expressions of total boredom in the middle of so many miracles.


but I was hoping to loot the ships I've discovered, not having to run away from bot defences. Yeah its interesting but its not good for me when I can't really do anything because I'm broke and are trying to find something to loot/steal or kill in a frigate.

Yeah this game is great but when you can't even afford to replace that cruiser you've just lost then finding fun things to do becomes secondary to trying to stay economically viable.


POS is not bot defenses.

You are now just classed as a troll and a fail one.

0/10

Like Rome Star said...unsub and go to wow.


I meant the turret batteries spread out around the edge that was engaging me. Not the tower itself.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#31 - 2013-06-21 22:09:20 UTC
Quote:


I meant the turret batteries spread out around the edge that was engaging me. Not the tower itself.


That still AINT a bot.
Its called AI

Either you are stupid and ignorant or you really dont have a clue what you are altalking about.

Either way....saying nothing is better.

Again:


POS guns have an AI.
AI is NOT a bot.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#32 - 2013-06-21 22:10:45 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:


Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



Its very early (well early as in i just woke up), and im very tired...but MC160812... If you are quoting from the movie i think you are i officially love you Lol

Phoibe Enterprises

The Eve Reader -  Audio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#33 - 2013-06-21 22:12:02 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:



Wait ...waht? You wanted to loot someone's JF just because you found it?....and you didn't notice the force field from the pos on d-scan...oh my...

Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



They've been there for 2 days or more so I was hoping that the owners had forgotten them. Yes I could see that there was a control tower but I didn't realise that it projected a shield and the gun turrets in the area hadn't shown up so I was hoping it was an undefended postion relying on stealth.



You've got time to monitor a POS for days via d-scan to see if it's ok to approach a jf to loot it, but not enough time to go out in Venture and mine for an hour or two or to run a few missions, because those things are boring. Therefore you have no money and this game has nothing for you to do.

Okay.




Don't feed the troll.

Or dont waste your time on someone who just doesnt want to learn.

Pick the one you think is right.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
Praqzis Synkara
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-06-21 22:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Praqzis Synkara
Ace Menda wrote:
Quote:


I meant the turret batteries spread out around the edge that was engaging me. Not the tower itself.


That still AINT a bot.
Its called AI

Either you are stupid and ignorant or you really dont have a clue what you are altalking about.

Either way....saying nothing is better.

Again:


POS guns have an AI.
AI is NOT a bot.


My apologies, but for folks that aren't technical, often AI == bot. You have to know whether OP means "bot" in the general sense (a piece of AI script that is running), or a specific sense that there is a disconnect on. I'm a programmer myself, and "bot" is an ambiguous term that can be interpreted vastly differently from one person to another.

Calling somebody "stupid and ignorant" isn't constructive when it could be as simple as a disconnect on what a term is defined as (when the term itself can be ambiguous).

And out-right calling a new player a troll isn't exactly a welcoming environment when this is the "New Citizens" section. And I disagree that "saying nothing is better." I'd rather a new player talk, get corrected and educated, and become an educated player than saying nothing and staying in the dark.

On a different thread with this OP, he has been thankful for links to useful advice. So I don't believe he is a troll or somebody who wants to stay "ignorant." Some people just have different styles of learning.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#35 - 2013-06-21 23:19:35 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:


Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



Its very early (well early as in i just woke up), and im very tired...but MC160812... If you are quoting from the movie i think you are i officially love you Lol


The book but yeah...I was calling him a ****** without him knowing it. P
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#36 - 2013-06-21 23:28:50 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:


Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



Its very early (well early as in i just woke up), and im very tired...but MC160812... If you are quoting from the movie i think you are i officially love you Lol


The book but yeah...I was calling him a ****** without him knowing it. P


I tend to take it for granted that no one has read the book since i only know one other person that has, while most have seen the movie Smile

Phoibe Enterprises

The Eve Reader -  Audio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-06-22 04:13:12 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

but I was hoping to loot the ships I've discovered, not having to run away from bot defences. Yeah its interesting but its not good for me when I can't really do anything because I'm broke and are trying to find something to loot/steal or kill in a frigate.

Yeah this game is great but when you can't even afford to replace that cruiser you've just lost then finding fun things to do becomes secondary to trying to stay economically viable.


1 - Jump Freighters cost billions of isk , for someone to leave one unprotected would be...unlikely.
- What you found was a POS (kind of a mini station). They emit big force fields that protect everything inside them. Because ships can't dock inside a POS, players often park ships inside their POS's protective force feild and leave them there until they need them.

2 - There are many groups that will replace the ships you lose fighting - especially frigates. One of them offerred you just that in this very thread.

3 - Don't you get a free venture mining ship in the tutorials? Well...

EvE security zones in pictures

EvE quick reference pdf

EvE links
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-06-22 06:56:03 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:

but I was hoping to loot the ships I've discovered, not having to run away from bot defences. Yeah its interesting but its not good for me when I can't really do anything because I'm broke and are trying to find something to loot/steal or kill in a frigate.

Yeah this game is great but when you can't even afford to replace that cruiser you've just lost then finding fun things to do becomes secondary to trying to stay economically viable.


1 - Jump Freighters cost billions of isk , for someone to leave one unprotected would be...unlikely.
- What you found was a POS (kind of a mini station). They emit big force fields that protect everything inside them. Because ships can't dock inside a POS, players often park ships inside their POS's protective force feild and leave them there until they need them.

2 - There are many groups that will replace the ships you lose fighting - especially frigates. One of them offerred you just that in this very thread.

3 - Don't you get a free venture mining ship in the tutorials? Well...


I have 2 ventures, however I can only ever get 1 trip a hour that give about 1m so it takes time.

However I've found some info about how to trade in this game so I'm going to try that.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#39 - 2013-06-22 13:17:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Menda
Praqzis Synkara wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Quote:


I meant the turret batteries spread out around the edge that was engaging me. Not the tower itself.


That still AINT a bot.
Its called AI

Either you are stupid and ignorant or you really dont have a clue what you are altalking about.

Either way....saying nothing is better.

Again:


POS guns have an AI.
AI is NOT a bot.


My apologies, but for folks that aren't technical, often AI == bot. You have to know whether OP means "bot" in the general sense (a piece of AI script that is running), or a specific sense that there is a disconnect on. I'm a programmer myself, and "bot" is an ambiguous term that can be interpreted vastly differently from one person to another.

Calling somebody "stupid and ignorant" isn't constructive when it could be as simple as a disconnect on what a term is defined as (when the term itself can be ambiguous).

And out-right calling a new player a troll isn't exactly a welcoming environment when this is the "New Citizens" section. And I disagree that "saying nothing is better." I'd rather a new player talk, get corrected and educated, and become an educated player than saying nothing and staying in the dark.

On a different thread with this OP, he has been thankful for links to useful advice. So I don't believe he is a troll or somebody who wants to stay "ignorant." Some people just have different styles of learning.


BOT means automated gameplay
A.I is Artificial Intelligence


HUGE difference.

And have you seen OP's posting history...We TRY to help him, but he just ignores any advice and keeps to his own (stupid) ideas and opinions which are not correct.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#40 - 2013-06-22 13:50:00 UTC
Trudeaux Margaret wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:



Wait ...waht? You wanted to loot someone's JF just because you found it?....and you didn't notice the force field from the pos on d-scan...oh my...

Those "bot defenses" are a space station. Dat tis no moon...B-E-E-R that spells moon.



They've been there for 2 days or more so I was hoping that the owners had forgotten them. Yes I could see that there was a control tower but I didn't realise that it projected a shield and the gun turrets in the area hadn't shown up so I was hoping it was an undefended postion relying on stealth.



You've got time to monitor a POS for days via d-scan to see if it's ok to approach a jf to loot it, but not enough time to go out in Venture and mine for an hour or two or to run a few missions, because those things are boring. Therefore you have no money and this game has nothing for you to do.

Okay.




Or just find the check box for "use overview settings" and un-check it to see everything. Being new is one thing but damn man what the hell were you doing for two days while looking at that thing? Posting here without asking the right questions I assume?
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