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New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.

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Jeffrey Asher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2013-06-21 16:43:02 UTC
UddWilliam wrote:
UddWilliam wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
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New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



That means who buy more game time should have more skills. Pay, wait, and you win. Big smile

Skill training online, good name for this.



Newbie is just a dish for vets. Come, die and get out.

Vets always has advantages, no matter isks, skills, game experience, social relationship. Who come earlier will win this game.

The only two ways for newbies to win are : 1. they are much cleverer than vets 2. pay more money, for gametime and plex.

The others can say goodbye to EVE.



3. or they can stay, keep training in-game skills and learning player skills to survive, the latter often from the vast number of veterans I have found who are more than happy to help a newbie and dispense advice.

I'd die at the moment in almost any PVP situation I can think of, and will keep doing so for a while, but I hope to learn why and be on the winning side one day. I'd be bored stupid if all I had to do was go and pay some real-world money to buy a magic sword and I could then win against someone who had been playing for ages. Bleh, I'd rather feel like I've achieved something thanks.

The power to cause pain is the only power that matters, the power to kill and destroy, because if you can't kill then you are always subject to those who can, and nothing and no one will ever save you.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#82 - 2013-06-21 17:01:43 UTC
Posting in a not-so-stealth probing skill change whine thread.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
UddWilliam
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#83 - 2013-06-21 17:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: UddWilliam
Jeffrey Asher wrote:


3. or they can stay, keep training in-game skills and learning player skills to survive, the latter often from the vast number of veterans I have found who are more than happy to help a newbie and dispense advice.

I'd die at the moment in almost any PVP situation I can think of, and will keep doing so for a while, but I hope to learn why and be on the winning side one day. I'd be bored stupid if all I had to do was go and pay some real-world money to buy a magic sword and I could then win against someone who had been playing for ages. Bleh, I'd rather feel like I've achieved something thanks.


3=1+2
They are clever and willing to learn EVE, and pay enough gametime to learn enough skill.

So my key question is:
Should EVE keep going on as a crazy toy for only a small group of people, or have some changes to welcome more potential players and make the game more colorful.

Those people you mentioned are only a small group of all potential players of EVE. Most players love sci-fic and pvp, and they are clever or willing to pay, but they don't have the responsibility to stay in this game and learn how to fight back those have unfair advantages. For most of them, they will just choose to play another game, just because they can have more fun in those game.

A game is a game. Forcing oneself to adapt to an unfair game mechanism is not playing a game, but being played by a game. If one is so strong then he should fufill his goal in real world, not to waste time playing games. Big smile
stoicfaux
#84 - 2013-06-21 17:23:27 UTC
Is a troll post still a troll if the thread "degenerates" into meaningful discussion about a real topic that people have an interest in?

Question

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#85 - 2013-06-21 17:28:01 UTC
UddWilliam wrote:


So my key question is:
Should EVE keep going on as a crazy toy for only a small group of people, or have some changes to welcome more potential players and make the game more colorful.



And there it is. The standard "EVE would get so many more subs if" BS, which is based on the crazy idea that "more people = better experience".

What people liek this don't understand is that games like EVe have 2 choices: be a nice cozy upscale country club ....or be the freaking ghetto teaming with dumb people.

I've been in those bigger games, the communities were horrible. No thanks, i'll take my nice exclusive adult country club, you can have Xbox live...i mean the ghetto.

Quote:

Those people you mentioned are only a small group of all potential players of EVE. Most players love sci-fic and pvp, but they don't have the responsibility to stay in this game and learn how to fight back those have unfair advantages. For most of them, they will just choose to play another game.


Man, were are missing out , we should get some of them irresponsible/impatient instant gratification kids up in here so EVE can be beautiful like the rest of gaming.....

Sarcasm aside, a REAL EVE player is someone who likes a CHALLENGE. Like how Goons came in, saw the established order and said "to hell with that" and toppled them......only to become the Established order themselves lol. But thats another thread Twisted

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A game is a game. Forcing oneself to adapt to an unfair game mechanism is not playing a game, but being played by a game. If one is so strong then he should fufill his goal in real world, not to waste time playing games. Big smile


The door is that way------------------------------>
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
#86 - 2013-06-21 17:34:23 UTC
I would like 1 trillion isk & i feel i am disadvantaged against other players who have 1 trillion isk.

CCP should give me 1 trillion isk or i will leave Eve.

Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. ― Richard P. Feynman
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2013-06-21 17:53:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
Don't anyone tell the OP you use to be able to field more than 5 drones at some time in EvE, he might really get mad then.
Thaman Arnuad
The Caldarian Templars
#88 - 2013-06-21 17:55:34 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



The latest patch is propagating this idea of first rank of skill unlocks maximum item use and every level of the skill improves effectiveness.

I am referring to Astrometrics in case you don't follow.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-06-21 17:57:13 UTC
Thaman Arnuad wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



The latest patch is propagating this idea of first rank of skill unlocks maximum item use and every level of the skill improves effectiveness.

I am referring to Astrometrics in case you don't follow.


I haven't even used any probes since that change.
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
#90 - 2013-06-21 18:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: AlphaOperative Altren
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Don't anyone tell the OP you use to be be able to field more than 5 drones at some time in EvE, he might really get mad then.


How about this, i was away from eve for a while and misread "Advanced Drone Interfacing". So, thinking id be able to field more i trained up. After a few weeks getting the skill up to 4, i came back to find it only works on carriers etc.

Eve doesnt forgive idiocy, a lesson i certainly learnt!

Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. ― Richard P. Feynman
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2013-06-21 19:13:46 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.



Hahaha drone envy, thanks op I needed the laugh it's been one of those days.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#92 - 2013-06-21 19:19:23 UTC
When a fail-thread gets a dev response, you just have to tip your hat in give the OP a "successful troll is successful", and move on.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-06-21 19:31:52 UTC
AlphaOperative Altren wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Don't anyone tell the OP you use to be be able to field more than 5 drones at some time in EvE, he might really get mad then.


How about this, i was away from eve for a while and misread "Advanced Drone Interfacing". So, thinking id be able to field more i trained up. After a few weeks getting the skill up to 4, i came back to find it only works on carriers etc.

Eve doesnt forgive idiocy, a lesson i certainly learnt!


Attention to detail will never fail you.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#94 - 2013-06-21 19:32:59 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



And then the noobs were put in their place, and the slow rate of player expansion continued while the bittervets rejoiced, with Tippia looking over the bittervets with crossed arms and a satisfied smile. And she knew that once again the WoW players invasion of her beloved game had been thwarted, because of falcon.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#95 - 2013-06-21 19:50:28 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.


Sometimes a single like is just not enough.

Remove standings and insurance.
Omar Godsman
Rancid Chickens
#96 - 2013-06-21 20:10:28 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.




Umm Mr Dev....... You just fed a troll.
I believe this thread should be locked as a troll thread. bye bye.
AlphaOperative Altren
Alternative Rendition
#97 - 2013-06-21 20:17:02 UTC
Hi,

Can CCP please add levels to all skills!

I'm not a happy bunny that young players can reach level 5 after just a few weeks and i have no option to get higher than them.

I think 80 would be a good number. Give the little scrotes something to winge about.

Thanks and much love,

Alpha

Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn't matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. ― Richard P. Feynman
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2013-06-21 20:20:55 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.



Well, good thing all these "new players" should be flying frigates that should only have 2-3 drones worth of bandwidth on their hull.

Just another reason to remind you to not jump ahead to a ship you can't really fly efficiently.

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Skill Training Online
Doomheim
#99 - 2013-06-21 20:21:50 UTC
AlphaOperative Altren wrote:
Hi,

Can CCP please add levels to all skills!

I'm not a happy bunny that young players can reach level 5 after just a few weeks and i have no option to get higher than them.

I think 80 would be a good number. Give the little scrotes something to winge about.

Thanks and much love,

Alpha




I don't want to rude but don't call new people scrotes it seems slightly offensive, Additionally this is not a troll it is just there are too many factors that already give the impression that a player with less than a million SP is less effective than a player with 50 million skill-points, and that isn't entirely true.

New players are the best tacklers they are the best scouts, this whole drone thing just creates a un-needed wall between people and creates a rift of prejudice without cause.

This is an emotional crisis, as I stated earlier, logically I can see why the system exists as it does, it just feels wrong, It feels like being unable to feed your family because the color of your skin, I didn't choose to only have 3 drones, I was forced here by a cruel and divisive universe that at any moment can shatter my emotional state.

Thank You Obama!
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2013-06-21 20:24:18 UTC
Jeffrey Asher wrote:
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.



It's not an emotional crisis, I've been playing for a month and prioritized getting Drones 5 trained early so I could use 5 drones at once. Why not just give everyone medium guns and racial cruiser as well from the start, so we can use a cruiser straight away and aren't scarred forever?

Drone envy is not pretty.



Or do one better... let's give everyone a free BC! I welcome you, the Gnosis!!

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