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New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#61 - 2013-06-21 12:56:00 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
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New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



Nonsense Falc (ima call you Falc because shortening your name makes me look cool and typing 2 more letters to get your name right is *effort*), don't you know by now? You OWE us 5 drones.......And Battleship V.... and the Ability to fly Titans from "birth". Anything else is wrong and you should go back to DEV school bruh!

Also, please send the bill for the CCP Sarcasm meter i just exploded to:

Jenn A. Side
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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-06-21 13:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Muad 'dib
Felicity Love wrote:
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.



I've always said, CCP should just allow people to buy Skill Points with PLEX.

That way, "low SP players" are forced to spend 100's of Dollars/Euros/Pesos to jump right in with absolutely NO CLUE of what they are doing.

Pure winsauce for everyone.

Roll


the one constant in eve is SP gained per hour DO NOT FUNK WITH IT.

absolutely NO plex for skills that would break so much of the game that people like.

I invested x years and some neckbeard with a month off work can catch me up? no thanks. i had to wait, you have to wait.

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#63 - 2013-06-21 13:05:41 UTC
In related news - New players are left out of things they havent skilled for yet.

Personally I agree and would like to see more new players in Titans. They should not be left out of Titans just because they do not meet the minim requirements.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-06-21 13:33:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:


i'd actually buy plex to do this... especially for all those prerequisites that aren't ideal to train on my current remap. (looking at you propulsion jamming!)


Ah, but you have the benefit of hindsight and experience.... the new recruit desperately hoping CCP will change the rules, not so much.

C'est la guerre.

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#65 - 2013-06-21 13:34:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Muad 'dib wrote:

the one constant in eve is SP gained per hour DO NOT FUNK WITH IT.

absolutely NO plex for skills that would break so much of the game that people like.

I invested x years and some neckbeard with a month off work can catch me up? no thanks. i had to wait, you have to wait.


Precisely. ^^

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-06-21 13:52:49 UTC
why cant ccp just give me all my skills to 5?

this seems like a lot of work.

what did you call this game again? steve online? who's steve?
Kha'Vorn
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2013-06-21 13:55:18 UTC
And now I realise why I gave up reading these forums.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#68 - 2013-06-21 14:02:39 UTC
lol OP is still butt hurt about exploration changes. Attempts to troll other aspects of eve.

Stop Ship Toasting please.

[u]Can't wait untill when Eve online is Freemium.[/u] WiS only 10$, SP booster for one month 15$, DPS Boost 2$, EHP Boost 2$ Real money trading hub! Cosmeitic ship skins 15$ --> If you don't [u]pay **[/u]for a product, you ARE the [u]**product[/u].

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-06-21 14:09:37 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.


That seems like the very definition of "fair" to me, actually - it works the exact same way for everyone.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-06-21 14:21:53 UTC
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Try drone interfacing lvl 5 for 35 days.


Come back and ***** when you have Fighter Bombers 5. Drone Interfacing 5 will seem like a short vacation.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-06-21 14:28:45 UTC
Skill Training Online wrote:
CCP should change the way the "Drones" skill works.

Set the base number of drones controllable to 5.

Have the skill just increase the damage by 20% per level.

It really feels bad to be a low SP player in a fleet with older players and only being able to launch two drones.


This is an emotional crisis for many new players.



Training skills past lvl1 helps out.

We all did it and we're still training so why shouldn't you?

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-06-21 14:30:51 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Sex Slave Girl wrote:
Try drone interfacing lvl 5 for 35 days.


Come back and ***** when you have Fighter Bombers 5. Drone Interfacing 5 will seem like a short vacation.



45 for fighters V already discouraged me on top of not being able to dock a super carrier., can fly it but will not stuck any of my chars in.

Lol

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#73 - 2013-06-21 15:37:26 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:

The question you gotta ask yourself is "is this a good design choice, how does this make the game better, especially since this mostly affects new players, and especially since we've just introduced a T1 frigate that requires 5 drones to function?" How is it a good thing, for a new player, to be told, after purchasing a Tristan, "sorry, but you have to wait a week before you can actually use this".


Save for the fact that the Tristan does not require 5 drones to function. It can be piloted with no drone skills at all, if someone was so inclined.

It will suffer for it, but it suffers for every day that the pilot doesn't have max drone skills, too.

There are Gallente and Amarr destroyers that benefit from Drones V, as well.

If a pilot intends to use these hulls, then planning ahead would be indicated, much as it is with most things in EVE.
UddWilliam
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#74 - 2013-06-21 15:40:23 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



That means who buy more game time should have more skills. Pay, wait, and you win. Big smile

Skill training online, good name for this.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#75 - 2013-06-21 15:41:09 UTC
AlphaOperative Altren wrote:
Skill Training Online wrote:
This is an emotional crisis for many new players.


This line makes me happy


Clubbing baby seals makes you happy too Pirate
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Spurty
#76 - 2013-06-21 15:48:35 UTC
Delete drones, think of something less silly (Infinite ammo, infinite cap yadda yadda boom boom)

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-06-21 16:00:36 UTC
SpoonRECKLESS wrote:
Stop this now! You guys got your dueling crime watch (which I love really much) and now they did the skills changes to cruisers and bc.No learn the skill like we all did or go away. I'm all for helping new players understand and get into eve but I don't want any hand holding. We all must feel the torture of skills training slowlyyyyyyieeeee.I died many times my first month in eve trail and error is the only way you learn and get better.The skill is only lvl 5 talk to me when your training a skill 30 days +.Deal with itCool


Hahaha br0 do you even carrier/dread/capital ships V?

Dodixie > Hek
UddWilliam
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-06-21 16:10:06 UTC  |  Edited by: UddWilliam
UddWilliam wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Quote:
New Players left out. Drones V is unfair.


No one ever promised that EVE was going to be fair. The odds are stacked against you, and you have to train to overcome them.

The Drones skill has functioned this way for the last decade. Training it to V like everyone else will enable people to field 5 drones.



That means who buy more game time should have more skills. Pay, wait, and you win. Big smile

Skill training online, good name for this.



Stick to every design that has "run well for decades", and EVE will stuck in a trap where it will keep losing new players.

Newbie is just a dish for vets. Come, die and get out.

Vets always has advantages, no matter isks, skills, game experience, social relationship. Who come earlier will win this game.

The only two ways for newbies to win are : 1. they are much cleverer than vets 2. pay more money, for gametime and plex.

The others can say goodbye to EVE.

That's why a worldwide game which has run for a decade has only less than 60k PCU.

Go to see those massive PVP based MMOs that has 500k+ PCU and find out why they're so successful. EVE has a long way to go.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#79 - 2013-06-21 16:22:03 UTC
UddWilliam wrote:


Go to see those massive PVP based MMOs that has 500k+ PCU and find out why they're so successful. EVE has a long way to go.


Because none of those people stay around for 10 years.

If EVE is so terrible though, and you're in a hurry to eject, it's as simple as uninstalling the client.
UddWilliam
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-06-21 16:41:21 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
UddWilliam wrote:


Go to see those massive PVP based MMOs that has 500k+ PCU and find out why they're so successful. EVE has a long way to go.


Because none of those people stay around for 10 years.

If EVE is so terrible though, and you're in a hurry to eject, it's as simple as uninstalling the client.


Just like many players, playing it as skill training online.

I love EVE and keep eyes on it for years. It's a fancy game, for some part. But for a casual player, it's not that good.

EVE need voices. Don't be so hurry to kick me off.Big smile