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Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-20 15:12:55 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
So, you said that killing people in hisec makes you feel good about yourself?
Carry on.


AFK mining, AFK reading, what's next, carebears going to find a way to AFK from life?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc

Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#22 - 2013-06-20 15:28:06 UTC
Relego wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
ITS THE BUMPING PEOPLE!
Are you guys too afraid to put guns in your ships?


Oh look, another person who didn't manage to read the whole thread.

Of miners I've been trying to sell to recently, one came back with a Corax and a Drake, another called in a Ferox (that one was funny when it popped) and yet another sicced a combined Moa, Corax, and Logi Osprey on my single Caracal, and still almost lost the fight.

(Actually, if they'd been less disorganized, it would have been at least one for one, because I would have actually switched scram to the Osprey and killed it instead of chasing it off while keeping the tackle Corax dead. But the Moa wouldn't even jump in until I was tackled and Logi was helping the Corax.)

So, who, exactly, is afraid? I'm running around, solo, in Frigs and Cruisers, flashing yellow. Not calling for a disorganized 50 ship rabble to lynch mob one guy.

I may not be amazing at PvP, but at least I'm willing to do it.



So if I read this right you go to a belt with suspect flag and then the miners leave and come back with combat ships and engage you? If so I am going to have to try this.
Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-06-20 15:30:53 UTC
Kimo Khan wrote:
Relego wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
ITS THE BUMPING PEOPLE!
Are you guys too afraid to put guns in your ships?


Oh look, another person who didn't manage to read the whole thread.

Of miners I've been trying to sell to recently, one came back with a Corax and a Drake, another called in a Ferox (that one was funny when it popped) and yet another sicced a combined Moa, Corax, and Logi Osprey on my single Caracal, and still almost lost the fight.

(Actually, if they'd been less disorganized, it would have been at least one for one, because I would have actually switched scram to the Osprey and killed it instead of chasing it off while keeping the tackle Corax dead. But the Moa wouldn't even jump in until I was tackled and Logi was helping the Corax.)

So, who, exactly, is afraid? I'm running around, solo, in Frigs and Cruisers, flashing yellow. Not calling for a disorganized 50 ship rabble to lynch mob one guy.

I may not be amazing at PvP, but at least I'm willing to do it.



So if I read this right you go to a belt with suspect flag and then the miners leave and come back with combat ships and engage you? If so I am going to have to try this.


I go to a belt, get a suspect flag, and the miners leave and come back with their mission ships. If I was running in a gang it'd be totally amazing, but I don't think I want my solo Caldari PvP fits going up against 3-4 mission ships with scrams slapped on them.

Add me in-game if you want to do some gang work in my pet area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-06-20 15:58:39 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
So, you said that killing people in hisec makes you feel good about yourself?
Carry on.


Killing people anywhere should make one feel good about oneself. But killing people with a false entitlement of safety and drinking the outrage afterwards makes it sweeter.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-20 16:04:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Relego
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
So, you said that killing people in hisec makes you feel good about yourself?
Carry on.


Killing people anywhere should make one feel good about oneself. But killing people with a false entitlement of safety and drinking the outrage afterwards makes it sweeter.


Besides, they attack ME. I'm just defending myself. And it's not like I'm the one shooting at poor, defenseless asteroids that never hurt anyone in their lives. Who's really a bully?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc

Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#26 - 2013-06-20 18:31:34 UTC
I sell permits which allow you to mine without a mining permit. Sort of a get out of jail free card!! Send me 25 million isk and make sure you put the system(s) you like to mine in for the comments section.

Thanks.
Litair
Nleesh
#27 - 2013-06-20 23:03:55 UTC
Relego wrote:
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
So, you said that killing people in hisec makes you feel good about yourself?
Carry on.


Killing people anywhere should make one feel good about oneself. But killing people with a false entitlement of safety and drinking the outrage afterwards makes it sweeter.


Besides, they attack ME. I'm just defending myself. And it's not like I'm the one shooting at poor, defenseless asteroids that never hurt anyone in their lives. Who's really a bully?


I wonder how many times it can keep being funny to say miners are hurting innocent asteroids. I die inside every time I hear that incredibly creative and witty remark, which only gets more awesome every time it's randomly repeated by someone who needs to add a twist of coolness to their post.
c4binfever
The Junk Committee
#28 - 2013-06-21 00:55:51 UTC
Litair wrote:
I wonder how many times it can keep being funny to say miners are hurting innocent asteroids. I die inside every time I hear that incredibly creative and witty remark, which only gets more awesome every time it's randomly repeated by someone who needs to add a twist of coolness to their post.


Took the words right out of my mouth. You silver tongued devil.
I cringe anytime someone lets that one loose.

To the OP though, i'd suggest minerbumping and the new order guys. I don't personally endorse them but until you have means to run your own system lockdown - better learn the ropes and get some isk or friends behind you.

<--dotbot

Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-21 02:41:12 UTC
I figure it's at least as original as every insult hisec pirates and associates get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc

Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2013-06-21 07:09:26 UTC
I think the defending rocks is more ironic/sarcastic when used as a rationale. And I should think that for the truly hardcore rock crunchers that they are already mostly dead inside to sit afk with a dozen clients all for the sake of isk.

I think I like the novel way the OP is getting his fights. He doesn't seem to be in direct conflict of any kind other than goading silly people into a bit deeper water than they realize.
Muhiheh
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#31 - 2013-06-21 12:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Muhiheh
Miners are doing you a favour. Those asteroids would otherwise get fat and grow so large, all the favourite routes you normally take with your ship would be unsafe to fly through. So the miners, who whittle them down a notch are doing YOU a favour.

Guess I should start giving people hell for not paying me ISK for keeping their everyday "adventures in space" a safe place from asteroid collisions.

Edit: I'll go even further. When anyone in EVE can fly around in a ship in fact NOT made out of a single mineral extracted from those same "defensless asteroids", I'll surrender you that you have a point.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#32 - 2013-06-21 14:01:17 UTC
Fit up a battle barge or exhumer, find the nearest active ice anom, camp it. For some strange reason, people have gone back to jet can mining in ice anoms. My guess, they are too cheap or anti-social to get an orca support pilot. instead, they use a quickly trained itty v alt to fly out, pick from the can, while they keep mining.

And I say battle barge because you will need something that can hold the ice.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-06-21 22:17:45 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Fit up a battle barge or exhumer, find the nearest active ice anom, camp it. For some strange reason, people have gone back to jet can mining in ice anoms. My guess, they are too cheap or anti-social to get an orca support pilot. instead, they use a quickly trained itty v alt to fly out, pick from the can, while they keep mining.

And I say battle barge because you will need something that can hold the ice.

the real reason for the cans is that the orca's cargo is nothing to write home about either.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#34 - 2013-06-22 08:51:47 UTC
Muhiheh wrote:

The problem with your line of work is that you don't see a difference between money-grubbing multi-person fleets strip-mining (in a true sense of the word) everything and those people who are, like you, forced to _carebear_ for 5 months before they can start enjoying _the life_ out amongst the stars without having loan sharks take posession of everything they own for the next 5 years.


There is not one single person in EVE who is ever forced to carebear if they don't want to. Characters with low SP, especially, will find that their isk/hour can be much better by taking up highsec piracy than it could be mining in a venture or grubbung out level 1 and 2 missions.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#35 - 2013-06-22 10:11:02 UTC
Relego wrote:
So, I'm having difficulties selling mining permits, due to a combination of Crimewatch and a general shortage of jetcan miners.

Does anyone have any techniques that particularly help a solo cleanup crew? So many miners cluttering these systems, all operating without permission, and none biting.


So..... let me get this right.....

You have a protection racketeering scheme and you can't understand why people aren't getting in line to sign up for it?

Maybe you don't know how protection racketeering works. Let me enlighten you. You "offer" to help protect the vulnerable target of your scheme. If they refuse then you prove to them that YOU are MUCH more dangerous to them than the people you want to protect them from.

In an EVE context this means you offer them an ultimatum. Either they pay up or you stalk them (war dec them) and bring their isk making potential to a stand still. Then you hold them down and keep btch slapping them until they agree to pay what you want.

That's how it works.

What YOU appear to be doing is to say to them, "please volunteer to be exploited" and then you scratch behind your ear when they say, "no thanks".

If you're going to make threats then you need to be able to back them up. Either **** or get off the pot. Seriously.

Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#36 - 2013-06-22 10:42:11 UTC
I should add to this that you can implement protection racketeering in EVE based on more than the stick.

The "carrot and stick" approach might work even better.

For example, in the case of miners then those who buy a "permit" also get access to orca bonuses and ship reimbursements for drive by shootings.

Those who don't pay (a) don't get bonuses and (b) are subject to getting war dec'd and/or suicided.

if you're *smart* then you'll also have contacts with local bad guys who you can work with.

Your working arrangement is thus: *your* blues don't get suicided because they've paid the mining fee... ie, they have your protection. However, you give intel to the gankers about neutrals. They get all the loot you pay them a cut of your profits to sweeten the pot and reimburse them for war decs. make an alliance to coordinate who is blue and who is not.

That's a win/win. the gankers get kills, tears, loot and isk and actually profit from their actions. *You* can exploit the mining permit system to cover costs and make a profit for basically doing nothing.

Once you get a grip on one system then you can expand it to a constellation and further. IMO there is good money to be made with this scheme provided (a) you are ruthless about non compliance and (b) you are organized and big enough.
Muhiheh
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#37 - 2013-06-28 11:21:28 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
(b) you are organized and big enough.


High-sec piracy? Organized? Bwhahahahahahaa. Fattest joke I've heard in years.

Dude, those are people who ask themselves:
"Sweat and grubby like an honest person to earn my keep while my skills train for 3 months"

OR

"Do nothing, extort people for cash whilst giving them no guarantee that once they pay, they'll be safe."


I think we all know, which choice is the preferred one ;)
Relego
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-06-28 11:59:49 UTC
Muhiheh wrote:
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
(b) you are organized and big enough.


High-sec piracy? Organized? Bwhahahahahahaa. Fattest joke I've heard in years.

Dude, those are people who ask themselves:
"Sweat and grubby like an honest person to earn my keep while my skills train for 3 months"

OR

"Do nothing, extort people for cash whilst giving them no guarantee that once they pay, they'll be safe."


I think we all know, which choice is the preferred one ;)


I feel sorry for anyone who breaks a sweat sitting at the computer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc

Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#39 - 2013-06-28 15:52:08 UTC
Muhiheh wrote:
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
(b) you are organized and big enough.


High-sec piracy? Organized? Bwhahahahahahaa. Fattest joke I've heard in years.

Dude, those are people who ask themselves:
"Sweat and grubby like an honest person to earn my keep while my skills train for 3 months"

OR

"Do nothing, extort people for cash whilst giving them no guarantee that once they pay, they'll be safe."


I think we all know, which choice is the preferred one ;)


Join a mining rights union. The New Order reimburses catalysts and fittings.

If they won't pay you can blow them up and take their loot. All your costs are covered, anything else is profit. You will need to use your warp-in scout to loot though. For more information on how to set up profitable ganks, read the "Gank" section on www.minerbumping.com

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Onomerous
Caldari Black Hand
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#40 - 2013-06-28 17:18:32 UTC
Onomerous wrote:
I sell permits which allow you to mine without a mining permit. Sort of a get out of jail free card!! Send me 25 million isk and make sure you put the system(s) you like to mine in for the comments section.

Thanks.


No need for mining permits!!
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