Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There could be some really crazy active tanking destroyers coming...stealth HAC buff!?! It could also mean interesting cap chains not requiring broadcasts, but able to be managed more by the pilot needing cap rather than the cap booster.

Hi,

I am assuming capacitor batteries still work after the patch versus energy leech

Dear Mr. Fozzie, ...


This proposed change would basically allow for tackles looking like thw following:

Highslots, all small NOS.
Medslots, full rack of tackle, AB
Lowslots, whatever!


And you're going to a Battleship, tackle it, and there's now way it will ever get rid of you unless it's COMPLETELY DRY (not possible after all, with every second some cap is generated and an empty tacklefrig, who's NOS doesn't cost cap, will drain it ASAP) or kills you.



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Yeah, actually, make it go life as it is! I will fly Atrons all day, tackling everything that looks like it relies on capwarfare. Hell, a CURSE couldn't outcap a tacklefrig!



So, what you might want to consider is:

Instead of proposed change or current mechanic, how about the NOS get's a flat increase in drain amount while, at the same time, will only draw the EXACT PERCENTAGE of it's usual drainamount that the target's capacitor is at?


So, like, Enemy 100% cap, NOS has 60 Cap Drain per cycle, makes 60 cap drained. Enemy at 50%, only 30 Cap drained.

High neuting-factor in the beginning, degrading slowly. Allows for actual tactics in neuting. Use NOS first to run your tank while neuting him, turn on Neutralizers later for continous cappressure.

Low slot capacitor flux coil it will reduce the base capacitor by 10% each but increases the recharge rate.

How about neuts are the tool to quickly destroy all your opponents cap with consequently high fitting requirements. Whereas nos only suck cap at the same rate as you are using it and have lower fitting requirements? I.e. it is just a tool to keep your cap stable.

You want to suck more cap? Create a fit that uses more.

Could make for some creative fits. Seems this would be more useful to fight up a class as when used down a class it won't keep stability once the smaller ship hits zero. If the larger ship is cap stable then it will stop sucking cap at that stable point. Have I missed anything obvious?

This actually seems like a pretty uninteresting change for the modules. I mean sure, it's probably better than it has been these last 5, 6...7? years, but it still leaves heavy NOS in a pretty lame place.

I was hoping for something more robust, like a module that drains a certain PERCENTAGE of the enemy ship's CURRENT capacitor... say, 6%, per cycle, UP TO a limit, which could be say like 60% the drain of an equivalent energy neutralizer.

I don't see how this could be in any way a worse option aside from implementation concerns.

Edit: After some thought, since we're dealing with percentage of CURRENT capacitor instead of maximum, the percentages could be jiggered to around 10/15/20% for small/medium/large, and this percentage value rather than the hard maximum would be the main value that would improve in high meta levels (unless you just stick with range improvement).

It could always provide some cap but would never completely neut out the target, and large NOS would still have a place in the meta. Some changes to cycle times of different sizes may be desired.

Auxillary Power Cores and MARSII on a Retribution should to the trick for frigates.

It has nothing to do with cap stability and more to do with reducing you base capacitor amount to effect more ships.

Screw this change.

Big - 1 from me now.

Amarr was supposed to Neut/Nos race and TD race. Now as it stands Amarr is biggest victim of TD's .
Tell me CCP why TE and TC increase falloff 100% more than optimal BUT TD does reduce optimal and falloff on same level ?
Tell me how Amarr was designing their own electronic warfare ? To what ? screw thier own ships ?

Same story with neuts - who is most screwed by neuts ? Of course Amarr.

Nos used to be weak module but somehow it wasn't arch nemesis of Amarrian ships. So you decided that you want to be consistent and make Amarr technology hate Amarr all the way.

So what we got now ... the probably one of biggest advantage of Amarr ships was that they got biggest cap pools among all other races . It used to be some adavantage to compensate (poor compensation i must add) for low speed and bigger signature etc. Now after this change it will make every single minnie ship happy to mount some nos to screw over Amarr. And what is funny it's complete false that nos will be targeted only at bigger ships (frigate vs cruiser for example). It will work like a charm in situation like slasher vs tormentor where so called "advantage" of amarr ship will be it's demise. All the powerful tormentor cap will do is feed slashers active tank (hell they will even mount non ancilary shield boosters just to screw thier own cap in order to neutralize amarr ship which was not always possible with low slasher cap pool using neutralizer).

Yeah my friends ECM is good vs everyone equally. Damps ? Yeah they good vs everyone too. TP's ? They affect everyone same way. TD - screws only guns atm (missiles probably too in future) - but screws amarr more than others.(aka they cannot counter it with te or tc as they give only huge falloff so blasters and ac doesnt suffer ...). Neuts/Nos - screws everyone to some point (acs and missiles doesnt care that much nor ASB users) but once again Amarrian Ewar will hurt Amarr ships mostly.

I don't get it... i don't even try to understand it anymore. Looks like Amarr would be happy to never invent TD's and cap warfare.

I demand another rework of nos so AMARRIAN FRIGATE BENEFITS FROM IT AS MUCH OR MORE(as intented to be amarrian EWAR) AS MINNIE. Same on bigger ships. Don't punish Amarr ships for having good cap pool. Like you NEVER punish Minmatar ships for low sig and high speed/agility.

The idea might be even better than you think, since it would prevent smaller ships from completely cap nuke bigger ones and give BCs and BS back the ability to chose between a mod that is only useful to fight small stuff and billion isk active tankes and a module that really helps with the cap.

I would even increase the amount for medium nos by 50% and double it for large nos, so a nos fitted ship can equalize drain amounts against smaller hulls(meaning solo/small gang pvp ships are on equal footing disregarding of size) and you get more cap out of it when you fight under heavy neuts and running active tanks fighting similar sized targets.

Also add stacking penalty's to Nos, single nos was not really a problem back in the days, it was a legitimate way to make active tanks work. The problem where stuff like phoons, domis or other drone hulls fitting 4 nos to cap nuke targets in pvp while feeing heavy tanks with it.

@Rise I think the idea is good but not the implementation, this would give smaller ships back the nos from back in the days while still ending with a neut on any BC and BS(outside of pure 1o1 fittings), and handicaps bigger hulls for solo/small gang for no good reason. A nos fix that makes nos not overpowered on small hulls and useful on BC/BS would be better for solo/small gang pvp and might finally manage to break with the "neuts on everything game play" we are stuck with since QR on the bigger hulls.