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Dev Blog: New system requirements for EVE

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Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-06-19 18:40:48 UTC
Sir John Halsey wrote:
No love for MacOS users ... recommeded 8Gb or more RAM?

With the new laptops from Apple where you can't upgrade your hardware this doesn't make the future too bright for us :(


Mac makes me feel claustrophobic.. too locked down for my taste. Been building home gaming rigs for the last 12 years.

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Alkyria Decile
Delstar Corp
#82 - 2013-06-19 18:45:59 UTC
Mara Villoso wrote:
Regardless of the number of people this will affect, a two to three week advance warning is ridiculous. This is the kind of thing you should give several months lead time. It doesn't mean don't do it, but it does mean give adequate advanced notice so that people can prepare. Buying a new machine or getting involved in upgrades takes at least that long for the non-computer-expert types who play this game.

Considering the lead time you give for ship rebalancing, it's amazing that you wouldn't do it for the machine on which those newly balanced ships are played. This is one of those "someone made a decision somewhere without really talking to everyone" type situations. (and if you're tempted to reply, well we decided X months ago, my reply is, so why didn't you tell anyone?)



As far as i can tell by whats been said absolutely nothing is changing as far as just the words. No new tech is being deployed, no systems will perform any different than they do now. They are just changing the specs for future considerations mainly as a warning for stuff to come (maybe winter expansion stuff). Unless they do something spectacular and unanounced on the jul 10 patch this is months notice not 3 weeks.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#83 - 2013-06-19 18:48:54 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
No final decision either way has been made regarding HD textures.


Can we at least have someone from CCP give us some feedback on the current thoughts, even if they're not final? There's been a lot of people who've contributed to that thread and it would be nice to get something back, even if it's just a "We're investigating it"
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2013-06-19 18:53:59 UTC
Molly Molou wrote:
I can see no discernible difference in graphics quality since 2007


You should watch this part of the art panel presentation from Fanfest where we take a look back at at some of the older graphics compared to today: http://youtu.be/5WiRV8DtxO0?t=21m30s

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex
MaRU2760 133
Unit 439
#85 - 2013-06-19 18:55:09 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
The only thing that concerns me is the graphics card. I run EVE on a laptop and just don't have the money to buy a proper PC, and under "Graphics Devices" it says I have "Intel(R) HD Graphics". This is running EVE just fine at the moment, but will this change? Don't get me wrong, I'm not about to 'rage quit', but if my machine can't run it then I just simply can't play it. As an underpaid university student atm, buying any new hardware is simply not an option for at least another 12 months.
We are not planning now any changes that will make currently usable hardware unusable. We are setting a baseline for the future.


This seems a little contradictory. From at least one of the posts above, it appears that you have already made at least one change that pushed someone out of the game, but you say if we were able to play, we still can. ??

My computer is a 5 year old Dell with an NVIDIA GeForce 210 video card, and a GT218 GPU. The CPU is an Intel D running at 2.8 GHz. OS is Windoze 7, 64 Bit. I'm not positive that it is single core, but I would say that would be a good bet.

When I started playing, almost 4 years ago, I could run 4 clients, but the 4th one caused noticeable lag. Now, starting a second client causes noticeable lag. So I shut down 3 of my 5 accounts.

Why don't I have a better computer? Because I don't have enough money to buy one. Not trying to wave any flags or anything, but I am a 100% Disabled Veteran. I don't know if you have ever checked, but that status doesn't pay very much.

Eve has kept my mind well occupied ever since I started to play, and I thought I would only give it up when the percentage of griefers got too high, but now it looks like how long I continue to play will be determined by my hardware.

BTW, what makes you think that the new system requirements will only effect a 'few' people? I seriously doubt that you have any idea of who uses what hardware.
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#86 - 2013-06-19 18:56:59 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
No final decision either way has been made regarding HD textures.


Can we at least have someone from CCP give us some feedback on the current thoughts, even if they're not final? There's been a lot of people who've contributed to that thread and it would be nice to get something back, even if it's just a "We're investigating it"



We really want to do this internally but there are a lot of questions we need to answer first, for example memory management, client performance and package/delivery of the feature.

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2013-06-19 18:58:23 UTC
Mara Villoso wrote:
Regardless of the number of people this will affect, a two to three week advance warning is ridiculous. This is the kind of thing you should give several months lead time. It doesn't mean don't do it, but it does mean give adequate advanced notice so that people can prepare. Buying a new machine or getting involved in upgrades takes at least that long for the non-computer-expert types who play this game.

Considering the lead time you give for ship rebalancing, it's amazing that you wouldn't do it for the machine on which those newly balanced ships are played. This is one of those "someone made a decision somewhere without really talking to everyone" type situations. (and if you're tempted to reply, well we decided X months ago, my reply is, so why didn't you tell anyone?)



Dev post stated this will have no effect on any current hardware configuration... This is a baseline for the future. Whenever that is has yet to be determined.

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#88 - 2013-06-19 19:03:16 UTC
*slowly sweeps the hard disc to make room for high resolution textures

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Hyper Visor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-06-19 19:08:12 UTC
Despite Windows 8's numerous faults as an intuitive/usable OS. I can confirm after 6 months of playing EVE on Win8 with my T420 Thinkpad, I've experienced zero issues so far.
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#90 - 2013-06-19 19:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Vertex
MaRU2760 133 wrote:
This seems a little contradictory. From at least one of the posts above, it appears that you have already made at least one change that pushed someone out of the game, but you say if we were able to play, we still can. ??


None of the Minimum/Recommended specification changes will stop hardware from working right now, what it will change is what CCP is prepared to support. For example if you have NVIDIA 7600 GTS GPU, this card now falls below the minimum specifications for the game.

This doesn’t mean that the card will suddenly stop working with EVE but if there is an issue only found on the 7600 GTS then CCP will not invest the time/resources investigating and resolving the issue as that hardware falls outside of what we support.



MaRU2760 133 wrote:

Eve has kept my mind well occupied ever since I started to play, and I thought I would only give it up when the percentage of griefers got too high, but now it looks like how long I continue to play will be determined by my hardware.


I am very glad to hear you enjoy EVE so much and we don’t want hardware changes to ever force people to stop playing the game they love but inevitably hardware will dictate how long you can play if your hardware never changes.

EVE is a sandbox game that we try to keep fresh and up to date, with that comes additional graphic features and subsequently higher processing requirements.



MaRU2760 133 wrote:

BTW, what makes you think that the new system requirements will only effect a 'few' people? I seriously doubt that you have any idea of who uses what hardware.


We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex
MaRU2760 133
Unit 439
#91 - 2013-06-19 19:19:28 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:


We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.


How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data?
Rhapsody d'Elysium
Circle of Friends
#92 - 2013-06-19 19:21:10 UTC
One of my EVE computers is an older AMD Quad Core (9850), plenty of RAM, I recently "upgraded' with an NVidia 240 GTS, and it can handle 1 max-setting EVE Client without a problem, or 2 lower-setting clients. I find it odd that somebody with a 280GTX would have problems running the game.

The above computer also has Windows 8, and hasn't given me any problems since I installed the above-mentioned video card a couple months ago.
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#93 - 2013-06-19 19:22:53 UTC
MaRU2760 133 wrote:
CCP Vertex wrote:


We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.


How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data?


It is part of the logs attached to each user account when connecting to the server.

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex
Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#94 - 2013-06-19 19:23:41 UTC
MaRU2760 133 wrote:
CCP Vertex wrote:


We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.


How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data?


uh yes O,o the send automatic logs option in the esc menu, plus you accepted some other telemetry data when you accept the EULA.
MaRU2760 133
Unit 439
#95 - 2013-06-19 19:25:09 UTC
Rhapsody d'Elysium wrote:
One of my EVE computers is an older AMD Quad Core (9850), plenty of RAM, I recently "upgraded' with an NVidia 240 GTS, and it can handle 1 max-setting EVE Client without a problem, or 2 lower-setting clients. I find it odd that somebody with a 280GTX would have problems running the game.

The above computer also has Windows 8, and hasn't given me any problems since I installed the above-mentioned video card a couple months ago.


I only have 3 Gig of RAM. I run everything at the lowest graphics settings. I don't have any idea why I can't run 4 clients any more.
Tierius Fro
Coronado's Cross
#96 - 2013-06-19 19:43:19 UTC
Please create a new solar system called Requirements.

tia

http://ridingevewormhole.blogspot.com/
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
#97 - 2013-06-19 19:58:25 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
MaRU2760 133 wrote:
CCP Vertex wrote:


We actually keep a close eye on what hardware people are using to play EVE, it is these metrics that we base changes such as the minimum/recommended specification from.


How do you do this? Is there some part of one of the programs that sends you system configuration data?


It is part of the logs attached to each user account when connecting to the server.


Out of interest, what % of users don't meet the new minimum spec? And for that matter, how many didn't hit the old minimums?


MaRU2760 133 wrote:
Rhapsody d'Elysium wrote:
One of my EVE computers is an older AMD Quad Core (9850), plenty of RAM, I recently "upgraded' with an NVidia 240 GTS, and it can handle 1 max-setting EVE Client without a problem, or 2 lower-setting clients. I find it odd that somebody with a 280GTX would have problems running the game.

The above computer also has Windows 8, and hasn't given me any problems since I installed the above-mentioned video card a couple months ago.


I only have 3 Gig of RAM. I run everything at the lowest graphics settings. I don't have any idea why I can't run 4 clients any more.


At a guess? V3'd everything has pushed up the memory usage overall. I mean, even drones have V3 skins now!
I assume you don't use Captain's Quarters? I'm not sure under what conditions that puts stuff into RAM, so you might want to kill that if you haven't already.
Odizzido
The NTC
#98 - 2013-06-19 20:06:43 UTC
A lot of needless worry here I think.

I will compare my laptop that runs eve, playably, to the min specs:

CPU: Mine is probably three times slower than the min spec. I run a C50 APU
GPU: Again way below min, C50
GPU ram: 256mb min? I have zero.
system ram: Min 2gigs? I have less since I use system ram for my GPU. But eve takes up less than 800mb so it's all good.

And 20gigs of HD space?...I might be lucky to have 200mb free.


and to the person saying that mac GPU drivers are more optimized than windows ones, I very very much doubt that. I think you're thinking of consoles or something.

and to the guy with the pentium D, all pentium Ds are dual core.




What might be useful to include is that SSE2 was released in 2001 by intel on the first P4, and in 2003 from AMD on the A64.
DirectX 9c was released in 2004 so I imagine any GPU from 2005 onwards will be able to at least load the game. You can grab GPUz to check though.
Sarmatiko
#99 - 2013-06-19 20:14:39 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
*slowly sweeps the hard disc to make room for high resolution textures

I think it's safe to say that you have more than a year to do your drive cleanup (on very optimistic estimate) Smile
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#100 - 2013-06-19 20:26:57 UTC
Odizzido wrote:
and to the person saying that mac GPU drivers are more optimized than windows ones, I very very much doubt that. I think you're thinking of consoles or something.


The Mac drivers are very well optimized. That's not actually the issue. The issue is that Windows runs graphics drivers in kernel space for performance, and Mac OS runs them in userland for security and stability. That decision imposes a hard (in the sense of non-negotiable) penalty on performance, but it means that if your driver crashes then your screen goes dark for a second or two before bouncing right back.

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