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Carebears Unite! and lets hit the goons from behind!

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#701 - 2013-07-22 16:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Herzog hates slumlords and elitist alliances and wants to take the fight to the largest entity in the game as a result, despite that said entity does not rent out space nor have selective recruitment (aside from GoonWaffe proper)

I do find that quite funny, considering that our primary enemies right now are all slumlords and, with the exception of TEST/Tribe and some N3 chaff like nexus whatever, have extremely selective "you can't play with us unless you have a nine figure SP count and x number of kills on this KB" recruitment policies

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Leafar Nightfall
Silent Owls
#702 - 2013-07-22 16:18:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And if you ever succeeded in getting a force put together? Nullsec alliances will band against a common foe (they're literally doing that right now), and you will still die in a fire.


That is so awesome that I can't think of something better to write, so I prefer to just quote it
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#703 - 2013-07-22 16:33:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

All well and good, but I judge a man by the company he keeps. Your company... is not the kind of people I'd like to hang with. Harry in particular, has not accquitted himself well, at all. If I kept company with him... let's just say I would have a lot of the friends I do have.

But I still believe my point stands. Even if we get past the argument of "how is what you're going to improve anything, what needs improving, and why?", the fact remains that you couldn't get 3000 "solo players" to show up in the same system at once, let alone engage in coordinated warfare against people who have literally had years of practice destroying people far more powerful than the disparate forces of highsec.

And if you ever succeeded in getting a force put together? Nullsec alliances will band against a common foe (they're literally doing that right now), and you will still die in a fire.

-How can you say Harry hasn't acquitted himself well? He's deep in Goon space killing ships and getting killed. As a new player with a low-SP toon. Do you mean you don't approve of his KB efficiency? If that's your standard, you're missing the whole point. We're not slaves to our little KB records and we're not playing the KB pissing-contest game. That's blasphemy, I know, but we don't care. We know we're going to die-- a lot. We know there are more Goons than us, and that they have more money, better ships, and more experience than us. But we're going anyway, and we're having fun doing it.

-We don't expect to get 3000 solo players in coordinated warfare. It would be really stupid of us to expect that or aspire to that. Even if we could manage to herd 3000 individual cats, the Goon machine would easily smash us if we tried to organize and do big fleets, bash hubs, put up SBUs, etc. This is irregular warfare. Solo guys or small pick-up gangs shooting small targets. It might seem pointless to you, but we enjoy it, and it's already making the Goons run a tighter ship around VFK.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#704 - 2013-07-22 16:55:07 UTC
Quote:
-How can you say Harry hasn't acquitted himself well?


Well, he's kind of a shitposter, if you hadn't noticed? The rest is you ranting about the assumption you made about my non-existent love of killboards.

Quote:

-We don't expect to get 3000 solo players in coordinated warfare. It would be really stupid of us to expect that or aspire to that. Even if we could manage to herd 3000 individual cats, the Goon machine would easily smash us if we tried to organize and do big fleets, bash hubs, put up SBUs, etc. This is irregular warfare. Solo guys or small pick-up gangs shooting small targets. It might seem pointless to you, but we enjoy it, and it's already making the Goons run a tighter ship around VFK.


LOL.

You at least, seem to have some idea of the futility of your actions. I wonder how it is then that several others seem to think that this is some kind of second-coming scrub revolution, and that "irregular warfare" means all of nullsec should be afraid?

Ah, and your last sentence. You are improving the combat readiness of the Goons, your ostensible enemy. The people whom so many in this thread are vehemently, slaveringly hating on. I rather doubt that your compatriots are in it for the gudfite as much as you are.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#705 - 2013-07-22 16:59:59 UTC
Grrr...goons
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#706 - 2013-07-22 17:00:44 UTC
Andski wrote:
Herzog hates slumlords and elitist alliances and wants to take the fight to the largest entity in the game as a result, despite that said entity does not rent out space nor have selective recruitment (aside from GoonWaffe proper)

I do find that quite funny, considering that our primary enemies right now are all slumlords and, with the exception of TEST/Tribe and some N3 chaff like nexus whatever, have extremely selective "you can't play with us unless you have a nine figure SP count and x number of kills on this KB" recruitment policies




You are wrong.

I hate everybody equally.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#707 - 2013-07-22 17:11:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

LOL.

You at least, seem to have some idea of the futility of your actions. I wonder how it is then that several others seem to think that this is some kind of second-coming scrub revolution, and that "irregular warfare" means all of nullsec should be afraid?

Ah, and your last sentence. You are improving the combat readiness of the Goons, your ostensible enemy. The people whom so many in this thread are vehemently, slaveringly hating on. I rather doubt that your compatriots are in it for the gudfite as much as you are.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying we don't want 3,000 highsec players in nullsec. We do want thousands of individuals in there ambushing and causing mayhem. I'm just saying we don't want to start acting like a corp or alliance. (Note: Actually I should just say "I", not "we." Everybody in this thing is an individual with his/her own opinion. I'm speaking only for myself. That's another point of this thing).

As for getting Goons' more combat alert-- excellent, that also decreases their isk-earning productivity. Hours spent guarding the station or sitting in gate camps are hours spent not doing something productive. The overall impact is small for now, but as more carebears spread out through the systems....
Joepopo
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#708 - 2013-07-22 17:23:55 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

LOL.

You at least, seem to have some idea of the futility of your actions. I wonder how it is then that several others seem to think that this is some kind of second-coming scrub revolution, and that "irregular warfare" means all of nullsec should be afraid?

Ah, and your last sentence. You are improving the combat readiness of the Goons, your ostensible enemy. The people whom so many in this thread are vehemently, slaveringly hating on. I rather doubt that your compatriots are in it for the gudfite as much as you are.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying we don't want 3,000 highsec players in nullsec. We do want thousands of individuals in there ambushing and causing mayhem. I'm just saying we don't want to start acting like a corp or alliance. (Note: Actually I should just say "I", not "we." Everybody in this thing is an individual with his/her own opinion. I'm speaking only for myself. That's another point of this thing).

As for getting Goons' more combat alert-- excellent, that also decreases their isk-earning productivity. Hours spent guarding the station or sitting in gate camps are hours spent not doing something productive. The overall impact is small for now, but as more carebears spread out through the systems....


Did you read when I gave source of isk that does not require to be in space ratting or mining in vfk?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#709 - 2013-07-22 17:25:21 UTC
Quote:
OK. Just to clarify, I'm not saying we don't want 3,000 highsec players in nullsec. We do want thousands of individuals in their ambushing and bushwhacking.


But that's lowsec. At least, it would be if there was any real reason to live in lowsec, and there were people there. Nullsec is about taking control, and doing what you want to with it. If other people don't like it, screw them.

Lowsec, on the other hand, is the place for the ambushing and bushwhacking.

Quote:
I'm just saying we don't want to start acting like a corp or alliance. (Note: Actually I should just say "I", not "we." Everybody in this thing is an individual with his/her own opinion. That's another point of this thing).


You know you just described a Goon, right? Only difference is, they are openly in it only for themselves, they are very insular, and unabashedly so. That's what rubs people the wrong way, they freely admit they could not give a crap about anyone but themselves, and we all know people hate honesty.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#710 - 2013-07-23 01:29:24 UTC
If the "combat readyness" of the goons have increased because of these incursions into VFK, then I say, good.


That it had to be sharpened up at all is indication of nullsec being what they say is so bad about highsec.


Since there are people from nullsec who have engaged in "emergent play" on the ground that highsec has it "too easy", it's only fair to head out to nullsec and poke them with a stick and remind them of their own doctrines.


Nevertheless, we should note that there are people on both sides having a good time. Who would say there was anything wrong with that?


And in the end, much complaints about people being "risk averse" or to some effect afraid of PVP, my agenda in this project is to find out ways to help INDIVIDUALS deal with that.

And it's the so-called casual player who is most PVP averse but are these reasons of being too much of a chicken (I have chickens and those little buggers can be fearless BTW) or fearing loss? A casual player may be doing their gaming at the end of the day, when trying to wind down, so being new to PVP while trying to wind down at the end of a long day is usually not good idea. So events like the one Harry is putting together, and drawing out some more daring bears for this, will hopefully get people to be more calm during PVP and therefore not so averse to it.


Still, I cannot understand the hate. I was under the impression that the nullsec community would welcome these ideas. Goons most of all even, for they tend to relish in this sort of activity - at least when they are not the target of it.



Ah well, there will be more. This is just the beginning. We are already seeing things change out there, all because of some noobs in destroyers and frigates. You can't find a better game than this.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#711 - 2013-07-23 01:32:33 UTC
I doubt the mind at all.

Its kind of awwwww that cute. Generally you guys are no more than an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#712 - 2013-07-23 01:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Highsec newcomers, a quick briefing if you haven't been following:
-Get in an affordable ship. Fit a cloak if you like. Cloaks are good for extended behind the lines operations, but not essential for more experienced people.
-Set destination for VFK_IV. Check your map for recent pod kills. If you see a glowing camp spot, consider your options. Decide whether to chance it or let them sit there bored. If you don't like the current scene, relax. Run a mission, do your exploration, whatever you're working on. Fit up your stable of reserve ships, take a smoke break, whatever. Come back and check your map again when you're ready. You'll see where some bored campers said, "Err, got to go, bye guys good luck."
-Plot your route. Remember your objective is to get past the highsec-nullsec border systems and get deeper into Goon systems. Any Goon system will work. Get there, throw down your sleeping bag, and plan on living there for awhile. Now you're in the bush and ready to go in any direction.
-Hang out in SpaceJunkys chat channel. Join up with other nature campers for combined shooting. Or tell jokes and post videos. Or just hang out and do your own thing, with your brethren.
-Watch out for lame spais in SpaceJunkys. No need to be paranoid-- you can spot them by the way they don't say anything, or are just all around bad actors. Again, no need to be overly suspicious. We know who's who.
-Pick off locals in Goon space. Say hello in Local first, if you like. They're mostly pretty friendly, some have pretty good b.s.. Send them to their reward in Goonvana, or see if they can manage to catch you and send you to 'Bear Mountain. If they do, suit up and do it again! That's what we do. Smile
-Don't forget to entertain a Goon while you're at it. Damn they're bored.

Last note: Be in VFK before July 28 for the Goons Doomsday shoot-out event. They're looking forward to it at least as much as we are.

o7
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#713 - 2013-07-23 02:00:20 UTC
Onictus wrote:
I doubt the mind at all.

Its kind of awwwww that cute. Generally you guys are no more than an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do.


Thanks for the kudos man. Being an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do is what we do best. Don't worry, we've got a huge supply of annoyance, we'll keep it coming. Smile
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#714 - 2013-07-23 02:08:04 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Onictus wrote:
I doubt the mind at all.

Its kind of awwwww that cute. Generally you guys are no more than an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do.


Thanks for the kudos man. Being an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do is what we do best. Don't worry, we've got a huge supply of annoyance, we'll keep it coming. Smile


Dude you understand loosing 25 ships usually happens in about 5 minutes under normal circumstances.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#715 - 2013-07-23 02:12:35 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Onictus wrote:
I doubt the mind at all.

Its kind of awwwww that cute. Generally you guys are no more than an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do.


Thanks for the kudos man. Being an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do is what we do best. Don't worry, we've got a huge supply of annoyance, we'll keep it coming. Smile


Dude you understand loosing 25 ships usually happens in about 5 minutes under normal circumstances.

Sure. Fit 'em up, be ready for any doctrine, get in and go.
Or how about, "Crap, i died on the way to the fleet"?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#716 - 2013-07-23 02:16:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Onictus wrote:
I doubt the mind at all.

Its kind of awwwww that cute. Generally you guys are no more than an annoyance when people have other things that they need to do.





Yes I recall the goons being a mere "annoyance" in Jita. Seriously, the only thing that bothered anybody was the TD in the adjacent systems. But, when people said "Burn what?" it was assumed that everybody was crying in their beer over the matter.


So if we can get some annoyance, that's fine. But this is a sandbox after all, right?

Shakespeare wrote:
Methinks thou dost protest too much




Onictus wrote:
Dude you understand loosing 25 ships usually happens in about 5 minutes under normal circumstances.



That's a normal circumstance for a large standing force fighting in a war of attrition. In Fourth Generation Warfare, denying a superior force their "normal circumstances" is key. Don't expect us to fleet up and meet you head on.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#717 - 2013-07-23 02:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If the "combat readyness" of the goons have increased because of these incursions into VFK, then I say, good.


That it had to be sharpened up at all is indication of nullsec being what they say is so bad about highsec.


Since there are people from nullsec who have engaged in "emergent play" on the ground that highsec has it "too easy", it's only fair to head out to nullsec and poke them with a stick and remind them of their own doctrines.


Nevertheless, we should note that there are people on both sides having a good time. Who would say there was anything wrong with that?


And in the end, much complaints about people being "risk averse" or to some effect afraid of PVP, my agenda in this project is to find out ways to help INDIVIDUALS deal with that.

And it's the so-called casual player who is most PVP averse but are these reasons of being too much of a chicken (I have chickens and those little buggers can be fearless BTW) or fearing loss? A casual player may be doing their gaming at the end of the day, when trying to wind down, so being new to PVP while trying to wind down at the end of a long day is usually not good idea. So events like the one Harry is putting together, and drawing out some more daring bears for this, will hopefully get people to be more calm during PVP and therefore not so averse to it.


Still, I cannot understand the hate. I was under the impression that the nullsec community would welcome these ideas. Goons most of all even, for they tend to relish in this sort of activity - at least when they are not the target of it.



Ah well, there will be more. This is just the beginning. We are already seeing things change out there, all because of some noobs in destroyers and frigates. You can't find a better game than this.

^ Recommending this post as a well-balanced insightful one fair to all sides. Give it a fair read and comment, I'd say. o7
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#718 - 2013-07-23 02:33:01 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
they missed me!! :DD I'm engaging their front door!! :DD



If you are looking for the Goons in VFK you are missing by like 5 regions. Come play in Fountain.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#719 - 2013-07-23 02:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
We'll be all around Fountain. In, around, and in between. Here, There, and Everywhere. -Sung by The Beatles, Sun Tzu, and your psycho ex-girlfriend
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#720 - 2013-07-23 02:42:19 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

That's a normal circumstance for a large standing force fighting in a war of attrition. In Fourth Generation Warfare, denying a superior force their "normal circumstances" is key. Don't expect us to fleet up and meet you head on.


No that is people ******* around on the undock.