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Low sec, High sec, New to EVE and not wanting to die ^_^

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Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-18 16:44:22 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Never realised EVE players were so bitter and nasty, Explains some of the people I know outside of the Game then ^_^

Yeap, you're definitely new here. Welcome to the machine. In a few years, you too will have grown to hate everything.


Posting in stealth nerf high sec.

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Dyzshaow Hunter
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-06-18 16:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyzshaow Hunter
Surely it cant be fun getting the best ship, Grinding your way to get it only to lose it soon after, Does not seem like a good/fun gameplay mechanic.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-18 16:55:00 UTC
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Surely it cant be fun getting the best ship, Grinding your way to get it only to lose it soon after, Does not seem like a good gameplay mechanic.

No, losing a 70B ISK ship is not fun. However, making someone else lose a 70B ISK ship is extremely fun...especially when they rage afterward, and their tears are captured and put up on soundcloud. So, you have to take the bad with the good, and all of that. ;)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#24 - 2013-06-18 16:55:20 UTC
Forget about the best ships for now, focus your training into something cheap.

Oh god.
Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-18 16:56:47 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Forget about the best ships for now, focus your training into something cheap.



I suggest the Rifter.

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Dyzshaow Hunter
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-06-18 17:03:57 UTC
I'll give the Game until my sub runs out, If it annoyes me too much then I'll just switch to a Game thats not as stress ridden for something thats actually fun.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2013-06-18 17:05:46 UTC
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
I'll give the Game until my sub runs out, If it annoyes me too much then I'll just switch to a Game thats not as stress ridden for something thats actually fun.



Oh gods you went and said it didnt you






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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Dyzshaow Hunter
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-06-18 17:06:57 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
I'll give the Game until my sub runs out, If it annoyes me too much then I'll just switch to a Game thats not as stress ridden for something thats actually fun.



Oh gods you went and said it didnt you









Stress ridden or fun ? Big smile

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Derin Phobos
Kinetic Technologies
#29 - 2013-06-18 17:08:09 UTC
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Surely it cant be fun getting the best ship, Grinding your way to get it only to lose it soon after, Does not seem like a good/fun gameplay mechanic.


1. There is no "best ship." Each ship has certain uses and unique weaknesses/advantages. Figure out what you want to do. Want to go fast and keep enemies from running? Interceptors. Want to be the biggest subcap on the field with tank and guns to match? Battleship. Looking for something with a little more bite than a cruiser, but smaller than a battleship? Battlecruisers. And so on. The "best ships" are the ones you enjoy flying the most.

2. Having actual loss in the game mean you value what you have much more. Also keep in mind that everything is player-created. If you lose a ship, you're not doomed to running UBRS another million time until you get the 1/1,000,000 Dread Neutron Blaster of Gormgath rare drop. You just go to the market and buy a new ship.

3. With that in mind, there is a Golden Rule of EVE: Never fly what you can't afford to lose. Because you CAN lose it, and eventually, you will. May be due to players, may be due to NPCs, but you ship is doomed. It's just a matter of time. The sooner you accept this, the less stress and more fun you will have in the game.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-18 17:08:12 UTC
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
I'll give the Game until my sub runs out, If it annoyes me too much then I'll just switch to a Game thats not as stress ridden for something thats actually fun.

Two days...and this? Man, if you make it past that sub period, you will end up being a bitter vet so vile that kittens will die from being within a 30 meter radius of you.
Dyzshaow Hunter
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-06-18 17:11:05 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
I'll give the Game until my sub runs out, If it annoyes me too much then I'll just switch to a Game thats not as stress ridden for something thats actually fun.

Two days...and this? Man, if you make it past that sub period, you will end up being a bitter vet so vile that kittens will die from being within a 30 meter radius of you.



Lol, I've been watching a lot of my friends play this for a few years and while it does seem fun the idea that you can lose everything in a few seconds isn't one that appeals to many people.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-06-18 17:14:04 UTC
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
I'll give the Game until my sub runs out, If it annoyes me too much then I'll just switch to a Game thats not as stress ridden for something thats actually fun.

Two days...and this? Man, if you make it past that sub period, you will end up being a bitter vet so vile that kittens will die from being within a 30 meter radius of you.



Lol, I've been watching a lot of my friends play this for a few years and while it does seem fun the idea that you can lose everything in a few seconds isn't one that appeals to many people.

That's generally because people are...nevermind. That thought would end up turning into a giant rant about nanny-states and my desire to see people who can't HTFU die in a fire of their own making IRL.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2013-06-18 17:14:30 UTC
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
I'll give the Game until my sub runs out, If it annoyes me too much then I'll just switch to a Game thats not as stress ridden for something thats actually fun.

Two days...and this? Man, if you make it past that sub period, you will end up being a bitter vet so vile that kittens will die from being within a 30 meter radius of you.



Lol, I've been watching a lot of my friends play this for a few years and while it does seem fun the idea that you can lose everything in a few seconds isn't one that appeals to many people.



Its not about bludgeoning your way through the game trying to be an indestructible lonewolf superninja though




Its about thinking around your problems, building a base of allies and resources and finding an aspect that you can master




If the first rule is "Never fly what you cant afford to lose", then the second is "There is always a way around a problem"




Like in the real world, a Carrier is useless without the support behind it, but you can explore the universe in an inexpensive scout and make a fortune with a 250,000 isk salvage beam

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lilliana Stelles
#34 - 2013-06-18 17:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilliana Stelles
CCP has always been fans of oldschool, hardcore pen-and-paper rpgs (There's a reason they bought White Wolf). Think of EVE like an old-fashioned dungeon crawler, where death carries a consequence. Ever play gauntlet, DND, rogue, etc? The point isn't to "I HAVE THE BEST SHIP AND I AM THE BEST", rather, it's to balance resources and survival while completing objectives and competing against other players.

WoW, for example, lets you live continuously. You never lose your loot, so they have constant power creep (you need bigger and better stuff constantly or the game gets boring once you have THE BEST STUFF).

In eve, it's easy-come-easy-go. Sure, you can eventually get whatever ship you want, but you won't be able to keep it. It/you WILL die, and it'll be time to roll out something new and try again. Respawn and try something different. You keep your skills, so you can just buy another -Whatever- and hop into it.

The ultimate balancing factor is risk vs. reward (whereas WOW/GW is just time-reward). You may not always want to fly the biggest/bestest ship because it'll be harder to replace.

If you think losing the best ships will make you ragequit, then just DON'T FLY THOSE SHIPS. You'll still have other things to do.

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Daimon Kaiera
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-18 17:19:10 UTC
The "rule" about not flying what you cannot afford to lose is pure bullshit and should be reworded; if you own something that you cannot afford to lose, and thus do not fly it, what's the point in owning it at all? Just sell the damn thing and buy something cheaper.

No, it should be not buying expensive crap that you cannot afford to lose in the first place. Spent all your money on a Raven for level 4's even though you have **** skills, are mixing tanks, and everything is meta 1, then have it die in 30 seconds? Shouldn't have bought it with which to begin.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-06-18 17:23:40 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
CCP has always been fans of oldschool, hardcore pen-and-paper rpgs (There's a reason they bought White Wolf). Think of EVE like an old-fashioned dungeon crawler, where death carries a consequence. Ever play gauntlet, DND, rogue, etc? The point isn't to "I HAVE THE BEST SHIP AND I AM THE BEST", rather, it's to balance resources and survival while completing objectives and competing against other players.

WoW, for example, lets you live continuously. You never lose your loot, so they have constant power creep (you need bigger and better stuff constantly or the game gets boring once you have THE BEST STUFF).

In eve, it's easy-come-easy-go. Sure, you can eventually get whatever ship you want, but you won't be able to keep it. It/you WILL die, and it'll be time to roll out something new and try again. Respawn and try something different. You keep your skills, so you can just buy another -Whatever- and hop into it.

The ultimate balancing factor is risk vs. reward (whereas WOW/GW is just time-reward). You may not always want to fly the biggest/bestest ship because it'll be harder to replace.

If you think losing the best ships will make you ragequit, then just d

I think this is probably one of the better ways I have seen this described.

When new players join this game, they often have this linear progression crap scarred into their brains from other mmos. Always striver for bigger, better, etc. It's a bit of a shock to their system when they finally realize later that just because you CAN fly the biggest doesn't mean you always should. I mean, FFS, look at all of the 100m+ SP guys in PL who roll around in Talwar fleets on a regular basis. Every ship has a purpose, and sometimes that purpose is to do as much damage as possible with as little cost involved as possible.
Derin Phobos
Kinetic Technologies
#37 - 2013-06-18 17:28:10 UTC
Daimon Kaiera wrote:
The "rule" about not flying what you cannot afford to lose is pure bullshit and should be reworded; if you own something that you cannot afford to lose, and thus do not fly it, what's the point in owning it at all? Just sell the damn thing and buy something cheaper.

No, it should be not buying expensive crap that you cannot afford to lose in the first place. Spent all your money on a Raven for level 4's even though you have **** skills, are mixing tanks, and everything is meta 1, then have it die in 30 seconds? Shouldn't have bought it with which to begin.


If someone wants to buy a raven and have it sit in their hangar while they round out their skills running l3s in a Drake, I think that's their right. Maybe they found a good deal, or maybe they just want that feeling of progress.
Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
#38 - 2013-06-18 17:30:02 UTC
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Never realised EVE players were so bitter and nasty, Explains some of the people I know outside of the Game then ^_^

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Also in Eve no one is impressed by you posting your pc stats in your signature

I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence.....
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-18 17:32:50 UTC
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Never realised EVE players were so bitter and nasty, Explains some of the people I know outside of the Game then ^_^

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=Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHZ 16GB=Corsair Neutron GTX 240 GB=
=X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Pro=Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Edition=


Also in Eve no one is impressed by you posting your pc stats in your signature

Is that because with all setting at minimum and all brackets off, Eve could run on a potato?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#40 - 2013-06-18 17:34:14 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Vincent R'lyeh wrote:
Dyzshaow Hunter wrote:
Never realised EVE players were so bitter and nasty, Explains some of the people I know outside of the Game then ^_^

=Intel Core i7 4770K @ 4.60 GHZ=Asus Sabertooth Z87=EVGA GTX 780 SC=
=Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHZ 16GB=Corsair Neutron GTX 240 GB=
=X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Pro=Windows 7 Ultimate 64 Bit Edition=


Also in Eve no one is impressed by you posting your pc stats in your signature

Is that because with all setting at minimum and all brackets off, Eve could run on a potato?


Yes

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann