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Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#21 - 2013-06-18 10:19:08 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
My tips to getting into Eve

1) Forget 99% of what you've learned in other MMOs.

2) Complete the tutorial, thoroughly. Don't skim through it like other MMOs, or else you're making it 100x harder to get over the learning curve.

3) When tutorial missions complete, don't ask yourself "What am I supposed to do now?". Instead, ask "What do I want to do now?" Asking yourself this question can make a MAJOR difference in how you approach the game for the future.

4) When you answer #3, research a bit into what you decided to do and go after it.

5) Look at joining a corporation. There are tons of corporations that will help new players, and finding people that have the same interests in you in the game can also make a world of difference. Filter by career paths, play times, areas of occupation, etc to find what works best for you.

6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

7) Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER undock what you can't afford to lose.


As a new player myself, I did what you suggest here, but your #3 isn't too easy tbh. I've tried to find 'idiot's guide to mining' or 'what do all the stats on an item's attribute window mean' guides, etc, but all i can find is complex stuff that opens up more questions. Asking in game gets a hundred different answers lol. Even the pinned Ships and Modules forum thread linking to standard fits for various ships is full of dead links.

Eve is hard, but the dearth of clear info makes it harder.

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.

I'm coming to the conclusion that buying a couple of PLEX and selling them for ISK will radically improve my enjoyment. Being released from having to scrape for fits would be great, and I'll be dying less too with better gear. It's not what I'm used to foing in MMOs, but after 10 days of missions, I'm still at around 10mil, and that Navy Vexor isn't going to buy itself!

:D


That Navy Vexor will be lost just as quick as a normal one.

Buying PLEX for quick ISK and then buy more expensive stuff doesnt make you better.
The idea is that you learn while you go. Buying more expensive stuff using RL money will just make you loose more expensive stuff.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#22 - 2013-06-18 10:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Menda
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.


I think im translating reconcile correctly, but if im completely wrong please correct me.

I will admit that when i read that particular part i smiled, not because it was funny or stupid or anything like that, but because you actually do bring up a good point. Its one of those things that older players take for granted, my self included and i had never considered what kind of impression it leaves on a new player when people like me go out and describe EVE players as manipulative, lying, thieving assholes that wont think twice about stabbing you in your back and run off with all your stuff and cackling like an evil witch.

The description above is pretty accurate with many EVE players, to some extent. I will not say that everyone is "really" bad but most EVE players can point to something they did in EVE and say "Yea, i would not do that to someone in real life".
And thats the difference you have to understand. No matter how serious some EVE players are, they still understand its a game, and they evolve a different mindset of what is "ok" while they are playing the game.

Because of this you might find that the guy who just blew you up, robbed your corp, spied on, lied about who they were, war decced you for no good reason, scammed you or made fun of your mother in local is one of the nicest people you have talked to, IF you take the time to get to know them.

This is something that becomes a lot more apparent here on the NCQA section of the forums. People here are dedicated (for the most part) to help new players (and at times veterans) and will (again, for the most part) leave their "in-game persona" behind.

So yes, don't trust anyone in EVE (well ok there is at least one person people trusts Lol ), but keep in mind that behind the character there is often a very mature person that you would easily enjoy spending a Friday night drinking beers with Smile


Confirming. My forum personality is different from my in game one. Same count between old and new players.

I even tell new player that I help to not trust me completely. But I will never harm a new player.

And NC I will keep you on that last point..the Friday night partP


I don't drink but i will gladly provide you with a beer or five Big smile


I will keep you to that...

But first it's time to grab some lunch with co-workers.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-06-18 10:35:22 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.


I think im translating reconcile correctly, but if im completely wrong please correct me.

I will admit that when i read that particular part i smiled, not because it was funny or stupid or anything like that, but because you actually do bring up a good point. Its one of those things that older players take for granted, my self included and i had never considered what kind of impression it leaves on a new player when people like me go out and describe EVE players as manipulative, lying, thieving assholes that wont think twice about stabbing you in your back and run off with all your stuff and cackling like an evil witch.

The description above is pretty accurate with many EVE players, to some extent. I will not say that everyone is "really" bad but most EVE players can point to something they did in EVE and say "Yea, i would not do that to someone in real life".
And thats the difference you have to understand. No matter how serious some EVE players are, they still understand its a game, and they evolve a different mindset of what is "ok" while they are playing the game.

Because of this you might find that the guy who just blew you up, robbed your corp, spied on, lied about who they were, war decced you for no good reason, scammed you or made fun of your mother in local is one of the nicest people you have talked to, IF you take the time to get to know them.

This is something that becomes a lot more apparent here on the NCQA section of the forums. People here are dedicated (for the most part) to help new players (and at times veterans) and will (again, for the most part) leave their "in-game persona" behind.

So yes, don't trust anyone in EVE (well ok there is at least one person people trusts Lol ), but keep in mind that behind the character there is often a very mature person that you would easily enjoy spending a Friday night drinking beers with Smile


I appreciate this, but I think that some vets forget how poor noobs are to start with. I went to lowsec in a shuttle to have a look, Nd I was immediately podkilled. It was a smartbomb. The guy that killed me didn't attempt to talk to me first, he didn't offer me any 'advice' afterwards, and he didn't get Any cool loot as my shuttle was empty. I lost nothing but time, but if I'd been in my Trustan, the loss to me compared to the gain for him wouldn't be comparable. It's like me killing a mouse in RL. It's nothing, pretty much, to me, but it's everything to the mouse.

To a vet, wasting a fitted tristan is pennies. To replace it costs me half my stash though.

I don't dislike PvPers or the way that nowhere in Eve is completely safe; I think it's actually quite cool. But 'BE paranoid-the majority of eve players see you as important as you see mice' is a better ethos to follow for a noob IMO.

New Eden is a harsh cold horrible place, and its denizens are cTegorised mostly by indifference at best, active exploitation at worst.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-06-18 10:39:01 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
My tips to getting into Eve

1) Forget 99% of what you've learned in other MMOs.

2) Complete the tutorial, thoroughly. Don't skim through it like other MMOs, or else you're making it 100x harder to get over the learning curve.

3) When tutorial missions complete, don't ask yourself "What am I supposed to do now?". Instead, ask "What do I want to do now?" Asking yourself this question can make a MAJOR difference in how you approach the game for the future.

4) When you answer #3, research a bit into what you decided to do and go after it.

5) Look at joining a corporation. There are tons of corporations that will help new players, and finding people that have the same interests in you in the game can also make a world of difference. Filter by career paths, play times, areas of occupation, etc to find what works best for you.

6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

7) Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER undock what you can't afford to lose.


As a new player myself, I did what you suggest here, but your #3 isn't too easy tbh. I've tried to find 'idiot's guide to mining' or 'what do all the stats on an item's attribute window mean' guides, etc, but all i can find is complex stuff that opens up more questions. Asking in game gets a hundred different answers lol. Even the pinned Ships and Modules forum thread linking to standard fits for various ships is full of dead links.

Eve is hard, but the dearth of clear info makes it harder.

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.

I'm coming to the conclusion that buying a couple of PLEX and selling them for ISK will radically improve my enjoyment. Being released from having to scrape for fits would be great, and I'll be dying less too with better gear. It's not what I'm used to foing in MMOs, but after 10 days of missions, I'm still at around 10mil, and that Navy Vexor isn't going to buy itself!

:D


That Navy Vexor will be lost just as quick as a normal one.

Buying PLEX for quick ISK and then buy more expensive stuff doesnt make you better.
The idea is that you learn while you go. Buying more expensive stuff using RL money will just make you loose more expensive stuff.


My character flying a navy Vexor will have a better time of it than my character flying a normal ine. If it literally isn't any better at all, then ahy does it exist?

I'm not saying it'll make me invincible or even good. But it will give me a ight inprovement to my chances.

And PLEX is quite cheap in RL currencies.

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#25 - 2013-06-18 10:48:06 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:


I appreciate this, but I think that some vets forget how poor noobs are to start with. I went to lowsec in a shuttle to have a look, Nd I was immediately podkilled. It was a smartbomb. The guy that killed me didn't attempt to talk to me first, he didn't offer me any 'advice' afterwards, and he didn't get Any cool loot as my shuttle was empty. I lost nothing but time, but if I'd been in my Trustan, the loss to me compared to the gain for him wouldn't be comparable. It's like me killing a mouse in RL. It's nothing, pretty much, to me, but it's everything to the mouse.

To a vet, wasting a fitted tristan is pennies. To replace it costs me half my stash though.

I don't dislike PvPers or the way that nowhere in Eve is completely safe; I think it's actually quite cool. But 'BE paranoid-the majority of eve players see you as important as you see mice' is a better ethos to follow for a noob IMO.

New Eden is a harsh cold horrible place, and its denizens are cTegorised mostly by indifference at best, active exploitation at worst.


Please note that not all EVE players are alike, and it is fully possible that the guy who blew you up is having a lot of fun with the fact that he just blew up a new player, BUT... Did you make any attempts at contacting him afterwards? Sending him a polite mail asking something innocent like.. "Hey, you just blew up my ship and even tho it was a horrifying experience i would like to know more about the PVP side of the game, and possibly how to avoid this happening again in the future. Thanks in advance!".
He might have responded, he might not have, he might have laughed at you, and he might have given you a convo invite.

You also have to keep in mind that people dont tend to (at least not in my experience) show info on the random person that jumped trough the gate. He might just have seen a neutral show up on his overview and blown you up thinking you were a 5 year old player. Or he saw a shuttle and thought you were a scout, or he just felt like killing anything that jumped trough that gate. So, most likely this guy did not know, or even care, about how old you were. He just saw an opportunity to blow someone up and took it, without taking into account how old your character was Smile
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#26 - 2013-06-18 11:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Menda
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
My tips to getting into Eve

1) Forget 99% of what you've learned in other MMOs.

2) Complete the tutorial, thoroughly. Don't skim through it like other MMOs, or else you're making it 100x harder to get over the learning curve.

3) When tutorial missions complete, don't ask yourself "What am I supposed to do now?". Instead, ask "What do I want to do now?" Asking yourself this question can make a MAJOR difference in how you approach the game for the future.

4) When you answer #3, research a bit into what you decided to do and go after it.

5) Look at joining a corporation. There are tons of corporations that will help new players, and finding people that have the same interests in you in the game can also make a world of difference. Filter by career paths, play times, areas of occupation, etc to find what works best for you.

6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

7) Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER undock what you can't afford to lose.


As a new player myself, I did what you suggest here, but your #3 isn't too easy tbh. I've tried to find 'idiot's guide to mining' or 'what do all the stats on an item's attribute window mean' guides, etc, but all i can find is complex stuff that opens up more questions. Asking in game gets a hundred different answers lol. Even the pinned Ships and Modules forum thread linking to standard fits for various ships is full of dead links.

Eve is hard, but the dearth of clear info makes it harder.

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.

I'm coming to the conclusion that buying a couple of PLEX and selling them for ISK will radically improve my enjoyment. Being released from having to scrape for fits would be great, and I'll be dying less too with better gear. It's not what I'm used to foing in MMOs, but after 10 days of missions, I'm still at around 10mil, and that Navy Vexor isn't going to buy itself!

:D


That Navy Vexor will be lost just as quick as a normal one.

Buying PLEX for quick ISK and then buy more expensive stuff doesnt make you better.
The idea is that you learn while you go. Buying more expensive stuff using RL money will just make you loose more expensive stuff.


My character flying a navy Vexor will have a better time of it than my character flying a normal ine. If it literally isn't any better at all, then ahy does it exist?

I'm not saying it'll make me invincible or even good. But it will give me a ight inprovement to my chances.

And PLEX is quite cheap in RL currencies.


It is better IF:

A. You know what you are doing.
B. You have the proper skills to use it.

Judging from this post and the post above... You expected EVE to be more mainstream where everything has to have reason (that guy killed you cause YOU went to lowsec and he could kill you cause of that) and where more expensive means better.

The last one is far from true. It is only better in the hands of someone who can use it properly.

Take a formula 1 car. If you drive it, you will wreck it before the first corner cause you have no idea how to drive it. Now place a racing driver in that car and it can win races. Its not about price but about actual skills and knowledge.

Same counts in EVE. But apparantly you are destined to find that out the hard way and I will await the rage quitting thread with patience.


EDIT:

You are also very wrong in your way of thinking that people who kill you should contact you. As Nightcrawler pointed out, you should contact them.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#27 - 2013-06-18 11:25:14 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:


I don't dislike PvPers or the way that nowhere in Eve is completely safe; I think it's actually quite cool. But 'BE paranoid-the majority of eve players see you as important as you see mice' is a better ethos to follow for a noob IMO.



Seeing you as a mouse is a plus for you in more ways than one. Ya just don't know how to use that.

As far as the vexor thing? If you just want the cool paintjob then go for it but the regular vexor is actually a better ship in some respects after the cruiser changes.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#28 - 2013-06-18 11:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:


I don't dislike PvPers or the way that nowhere in Eve is completely safe; I think it's actually quite cool. But 'BE paranoid-the majority of eve players see you as important as you see mice' is a better ethos to follow for a noob IMO.



Seeing you as a mouse is a plus for you in more ways than one. Ya just don't know how to use that.

As far as the vexor thing? If you just want the cool paintjob then go for it but the regular vexor is actually a better ship in some respects after the cruiser changes.


^^^ It's better to lose several normal Vexors learning to fly them properly instead of blowing a wad of cash on a Navy one that you have no idea how to fly. The age old adage of fitting 10 ships and learning from your mistakes remains true no matter how much ISK you have at your disposal.

@OP It is possible to play Eve on a solo(ish) basis and enjoy yourself, but it takes a certain mindset and you have to think of other players as an especially nasty AI, but it is a lot more fun to team up with others for the majority of activities.

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Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#29 - 2013-06-18 11:49:22 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:


I don't dislike PvPers or the way that nowhere in Eve is completely safe; I think it's actually quite cool. But 'BE paranoid-the majority of eve players see you as important as you see mice' is a better ethos to follow for a noob IMO.



Seeing you as a mouse is a plus for you in more ways than one. Ya just don't know how to use that.

As far as the vexor thing? If you just want the cool paintjob then go for it but the regular vexor is actually a better ship in some respects after the cruiser changes.


^^^ It's better to lose several normal Vexors learning to fly them properly instead of blowing a wad cash on a Navy one that you have no idea how to fly. The age old adage of fitting 10 ships and learning from your mistakes remains true no matter how much ISK you have at your disposal.

@OP It is possible to play Eve on a solo(ish) basis and enjoy yourself, but it takes a certain mindset and you have to think of other players as an especially nasty AI, but it is a lot more fun to team up with others for the majority of activities.


Stop wasting your precious time guys. Judging by how he rejects any advice given to him it is not likely he will listen any way. Time to find some new players that are willing to listen to advice from those that take time away from their game helping new players.

Are you in need of some nice chat? Are you new and want some help? Look no further and join: Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-18 11:51:35 UTC
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:


I appreciate this, but I think that some vets forget how poor noobs are to start with. I went to lowsec in a shuttle to have a look, Nd I was immediately podkilled. It was a smartbomb. The guy that killed me didn't attempt to talk to me first, he didn't offer me any 'advice' afterwards, and he didn't get Any cool loot as my shuttle was empty. I lost nothing but time, but if I'd been in my Trustan, the loss to me compared to the gain for him wouldn't be comparable. It's like me killing a mouse in RL. It's nothing, pretty much, to me, but it's everything to the mouse.

To a vet, wasting a fitted tristan is pennies. To replace it costs me half my stash though.

I don't dislike PvPers or the way that nowhere in Eve is completely safe; I think it's actually quite cool. But 'BE paranoid-the majority of eve players see you as important as you see mice' is a better ethos to follow for a noob IMO.

New Eden is a harsh cold horrible place, and its denizens are cTegorised mostly by indifference at best, active exploitation at worst.


Please note that not all EVE players are alike, and it is fully possible that the guy who blew you up is having a lot of fun with the fact that he just blew up a new player, BUT... Did you make any attempts at contacting him afterwards? Sending him a polite mail asking something innocent like.. "Hey, you just blew up my ship and even tho it was a horrifying experience i would like to know more about the PVP side of the game, and possibly how to avoid this happening again in the future. Thanks in advance!".
He might have responded, he might not have, he might have laughed at you, and he might have given you a convo invite.

You also have to keep in mind that people dont tend to (at least not in my experience) show info on the random person that jumped trough the gate. He might just have seen a neutral show up on his overview and blown you up thinking you were a 5 year old player. Or he saw a shuttle and thought you were a scout, or he just felt like killing anything that jumped trough that gate. So, most likely this guy did not know, or even care, about how old you were. He just saw an opportunity to blow someone up and took it, without taking into account how old your character was Smile

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#31 - 2013-06-18 12:00:41 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:


I don't dislike PvPers or the way that nowhere in Eve is completely safe; I think it's actually quite cool. But 'BE paranoid-the majority of eve players see you as important as you see mice' is a better ethos to follow for a noob IMO.



Seeing you as a mouse is a plus for you in more ways than one. Ya just don't know how to use that.

As far as the vexor thing? If you just want the cool paintjob then go for it but the regular vexor is actually a better ship in some respects after the cruiser changes.


^^^ It's better to lose several normal Vexors learning to fly them properly instead of blowing a wad cash on a Navy one that you have no idea how to fly. The age old adage of fitting 10 ships and learning from your mistakes remains true no matter how much ISK you have at your disposal.

@OP It is possible to play Eve on a solo(ish) basis and enjoy yourself, but it takes a certain mindset and you have to think of other players as an especially nasty AI, but it is a lot more fun to team up with others for the majority of activities.


Stop wasting your precious time guys. Judging by how he rejects any advice given to him it is not likely he will listen any way. Time to find some new players that are willing to listen to advice from those that take time away from their game helping new players.


...but we want him to stay. Plus who else is going to supply us with PLEX and navy vexor kills.
Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#32 - 2013-06-18 13:02:14 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
My tips to getting into Eve

1) Forget 99% of what you've learned in other MMOs.

2) Complete the tutorial, thoroughly. Don't skim through it like other MMOs, or else you're making it 100x harder to get over the learning curve.

3) When tutorial missions complete, don't ask yourself "What am I supposed to do now?". Instead, ask "What do I want to do now?" Asking yourself this question can make a MAJOR difference in how you approach the game for the future.

4) When you answer #3, research a bit into what you decided to do and go after it.

5) Look at joining a corporation. There are tons of corporations that will help new players, and finding people that have the same interests in you in the game can also make a world of difference. Filter by career paths, play times, areas of occupation, etc to find what works best for you.

6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

7) Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER undock what you can't afford to lose.


As a new player myself, I did what you suggest here, but your #3 isn't too easy tbh. I've tried to find 'idiot's guide to mining' or 'what do all the stats on an item's attribute window mean' guides, etc, but all i can find is complex stuff that opens up more questions. Asking in game gets a hundred different answers lol. Even the pinned Ships and Modules forum thread linking to standard fits for various ships is full of dead links.

Eve is hard, but the dearth of clear info makes it harder.

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.

I'm coming to the conclusion that buying a couple of PLEX and selling them for ISK will radically improve my enjoyment. Being released from having to scrape for fits would be great, and I'll be dying less too with better gear. It's not what I'm used to foing in MMOs, but after 10 days of missions, I'm still at around 10mil, and that Navy Vexor isn't going to buy itself!

:D


I never said it'd be easy Twisted

All kidding aside, you definitely have the right attitude of "I need to find what works for me in this game".

Some links that may help you mining:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mining_guide
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Advanced_mining
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=The_Complete_Miner's_Guide_by_Halada (note that some info in this is old and I sometimes use it for just data references)

The fact that the answers you are getting are making you ask more questions is a good thing. It always seems that people reach an "AHA!" moment in the game where everything clicks, they don't need to ask as many questions and it all pretty much makes sense.

And as far as the whole "trust nobody", others have already said, while they don't mind stabbing you in the back in game, on a personal level they don't mind helping out. Best way to approach it all is Cautious Optimism.

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Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-06-18 13:08:02 UTC
I think people are reading too much into my words tbh :) I'm not entitled to anything, I fully accept the facts of Eve and whatever happens to me when I undock is fine. It's not important, really, but I think my point has been missed.

Losing ten vexors in a row would be extremely tedious, but I appreciate that in terms of efficiency, it's a better idea to buy and fit say 3 Vexors before upgrading to a Navy one; after all, I might not like it! :)


"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Marmaduke Hatplate
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-18 13:09:23 UTC
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:
Tyrendian Biohazard wrote:
My tips to getting into Eve

1) Forget 99% of what you've learned in other MMOs.

2) Complete the tutorial, thoroughly. Don't skim through it like other MMOs, or else you're making it 100x harder to get over the learning curve.

3) When tutorial missions complete, don't ask yourself "What am I supposed to do now?". Instead, ask "What do I want to do now?" Asking yourself this question can make a MAJOR difference in how you approach the game for the future.

4) When you answer #3, research a bit into what you decided to do and go after it.

5) Look at joining a corporation. There are tons of corporations that will help new players, and finding people that have the same interests in you in the game can also make a world of difference. Filter by career paths, play times, areas of occupation, etc to find what works best for you.

6) Don't let other bring you down. A lost ship to a suicide gank, or because you made a wrong turn into low sec when you weren't ready isn't a total loss. Majority of Eve players are friendly and helpful. If you get ganked, ask the guy that blew your ship up how he found you, how you could've escaped, etc. Learn from mistakes.

7) Don't ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER undock what you can't afford to lose.


As a new player myself, I did what you suggest here, but your #3 isn't too easy tbh. I've tried to find 'idiot's guide to mining' or 'what do all the stats on an item's attribute window mean' guides, etc, but all i can find is complex stuff that opens up more questions. Asking in game gets a hundred different answers lol. Even the pinned Ships and Modules forum thread linking to standard fits for various ships is full of dead links.

Eve is hard, but the dearth of clear info makes it harder.

Also, it's hard to reconcile your 'majority of eve players are friendly' with the 'trust nobody' ethos which permeates the game so completely.

I'm coming to the conclusion that buying a couple of PLEX and selling them for ISK will radically improve my enjoyment. Being released from having to scrape for fits would be great, and I'll be dying less too with better gear. It's not what I'm used to foing in MMOs, but after 10 days of missions, I'm still at around 10mil, and that Navy Vexor isn't going to buy itself!

:D


I never said it'd be easy Twisted

All kidding aside, you definitely have the right attitude of "I need to find what works for me in this game".

Some links that may help you mining:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mining_guide
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Advanced_mining
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=The_Complete_Miner's_Guide_by_Halada (note that some info in this is old and I sometimes use it for just data references)

The fact that the answers you are getting are making you ask more questions is a good thing. It always seems that people reach an "AHA!" moment in the game where everything clicks, they don't need to ask as many questions and it all pretty much makes sense.

And as far as the whole "trust nobody", others have already said, while they don't mind stabbing you in the back in game, on a personal level they don't mind helping out. Best way to approach it all is Cautious Optimism.


Thanks v much for this, very useful stuff here :)

"Friends and fun...The only 2 really important things in EVE Online." - Crazy Dutch Guy

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-18 16:05:47 UTC
Marmaduke Hatplate wrote:

My character flying a navy Vexor will have a better time of it than my character flying a normal ine. If it literally isn't any better at all, then ahy does it exist?

I'm not saying it'll make me invincible or even good. But it will give me a ight inprovement to my chances.

And PLEX is quite cheap in RL currencies.


I enjoy the thrill of building up my wallet in game. However, you are completely correct, working at McD's earns more isk/hr than most activities in Eve. So if you find yourself having to "grind" to make isk to then go do what you really want to do, then PLEX is a reasonable alternative.

But in Eve the killboards are filled with people who PLEXed expensive ships, fitted them in expensive ways, and then expected them to be Invincible!. Those killmails are hysterical. Just keep in mind you can't buy success in Eve. You have to skill for it, practice for it, and work up to it.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#36 - 2013-06-19 02:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius Prime
Eram Fidard wrote:
good advice in this thread, my two bits would be:

Don't generalize nullsec from one short experience you've had in one corporation. It's lawless space for a reason, all types go there. You have ninja industrialists and plex runners, organised ops or small fleets; guerrilla warfare and gatecamps, carebears or true pirates; tiny corps and mega coalitions, newbies or veterans of beta.

All types, except for one:

The ones too scared to dive in the deep end.


Sure, you could splash around in the kiddy **** for awhile, maybe even graduate to the olympic-sized pool where you could comfortably learn to swim. Just don't give up the ocean because you didn't like how it felt on your toes that once.

;)

Welcome to EVE


He's a pilot, not a fish. The babypool is often a cooler place to be, especially if you want to see where you are going.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#37 - 2013-06-19 04:26:36 UTC
you get to fly spaceships and blow stuff up, how can you not want to stay!? also the community is insane (in the good way).

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Singu L'arity
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-06-19 08:37:55 UTC
I would also like to thank you folks for the good advices, thanks!
Signal11th
#39 - 2013-06-19 09:46:08 UTC
Zutify wrote:
Ive been coming back to this game twice.. three a times for the past many years. Everytime I make a new account in the hopes that ill stay. Space fascinates me. Same with this game. Its just awesome. I keep getting pulled back in.. and I want to stay this time. Maybe its cause I feel a lack of progression or moving forward..

What's my deal? I want to stay.



I think the main issue with people is to find that "corp" the one where they progress your EVE career not hinder it.

I've been lucky with all but one of my corps enhancing my playing. find the right corp and even when you get bored of EVE it will be the corp/friends that keep you logged in.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#40 - 2013-06-19 14:18:59 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Zutify wrote:
Ive been coming back to this game twice.. three a times for the past many years. Everytime I make a new account in the hopes that ill stay. Space fascinates me. Same with this game. Its just awesome. I keep getting pulled back in.. and I want to stay this time. Maybe its cause I feel a lack of progression or moving forward..

What's my deal? I want to stay.



I think the main issue with people is to find that "corp" the one where they progress your EVE career not hinder it.

I've been lucky with all but one of my corps enhancing my playing. find the right corp and even when you get bored of EVE it will be the corp/friends that keep you logged in.


The bolded part is very very true! Most people who play a while will find them self in a situation were they feel they have done everything they really have an interest in trying, and of course this will eventually become "boring" as well, or at least you need a break from it.
But the social interaction you can get trough your corp and friends is something that keeps many (my self included) playing the game for years and years even if the most exiting thing we do ingame is station spinning Lol
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