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Ra*e caging supers in a pos

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Sigarni Green
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-10-23 04:29:50 UTC
How will this new mechanic of logging off with agression work surrounding pos's and downtime. Example a titan is sat in a pos when the enemy fleet enters system. They are able to drop some large disruptor bubbles on the pos to effectively catching the titan. It can log off but will remain in place due to agression mechanics. What will happen during downtime? Shall the agression continue or will that 30 minute downtime cause the titan to disappear and remain logged off.
If not the implication could be that with enough time and fleet member participation you would be able to reinforce the Pos shields and keep the titan there till you can destroy the Pos.
Obviously there will be calls for rescue parties to destroy the catching fleet and their bubbles and resqueing the trapped titan.
Or are super caps perfectly safe inside any properly passworded (spy proof) Pos with 24 hours worth of Strontium in them?

On the negative side if a downtime period will save super caps. I hope and trust you are ready for some groups to attempt to crash the server if a fight turns bad for them and they need to save some of their big shiny ships.

Thanks for clearing it up in advance.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#2 - 2011-10-23 04:33:59 UTC
You can agress supers inside a pos shield with AoE weapons. Doesn't always work, though. Not to mention it's not possible to *entirely* rapecage supers, there are ways for them to shoot out of the POS at high speeds and escape the immediate area that can be bubbled. You could always bubble further, but GMs don't like when you use that many...
Hans Uno
An Eye For An Eye
Phoebe Freeport Republic
#3 - 2011-10-23 07:50:15 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
You can agress supers inside a pos shield with AoE weapons. Doesn't always work, though. Not to mention it's not possible to *entirely* rapecage supers, there are ways for them to shoot out of the POS at high speeds and escape the immediate area that can be bubbled. You could always bubble further, but GMs don't like when you use that many...


I've been told that there are *no limit* to bubbles and that any such limit only applies to "other" items such as GSCs and jetcans.

This was the result of a petition for 150+ large bubbles anchored on a gate. Is this not true?
Sigarni Green
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-10-23 09:03:57 UTC
Valid points but I am interested how the soon to be implemented anti logoff system will affect supers. Around downtime in particular.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-23 13:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
1) I am fairly sure that just sitting in a bubble and not attempting to warp off will not give you an agression timer. Whether it will extend an existing one, only CCP knows.

2) As far as I know, AoE weapons causing agression to ships inside a POS was fixed a while ago, and declared an exploit a long time before that.

3) There is no effective limit on the number of objects you can drop on a grid, as long as you can justify their existence, and that justification is not "to cause lag". If you decide you want a 100k x 100k x 100k unwarpable field around a POS, go for it.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#6 - 2011-10-25 05:11:21 UTC
Hans Uno wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
You can agress supers inside a pos shield with AoE weapons. Doesn't always work, though. Not to mention it's not possible to *entirely* rapecage supers, there are ways for them to shoot out of the POS at high speeds and escape the immediate area that can be bubbled. You could always bubble further, but GMs don't like when you use that many...


I've been told that there are *no limit* to bubbles and that any such limit only applies to "other" items such as GSCs and jetcans.

This was the result of a petition for 150+ large bubbles anchored on a gate. Is this not true?




Probably depends on what GM you ask... What?
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2011-10-25 06:01:06 UTC
Using past changes as a baseline the only thing we can be sure off is that there will be some extremely funny unintended consequences of the proposed changes, and most likely those unintended consequences will have been common knowledge on SISI for 1 month+ but still make it onto TQ because of ... *CCP*

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Izuru Hishido
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-10-25 16:05:01 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
You can agress supers inside a pos shield with AoE weapons. Doesn't always work, though. Not to mention it's not possible to *entirely* rapecage supers, there are ways for them to shoot out of the POS at high speeds and escape the immediate area that can be bubbled. You could always bubble further, but GMs don't like when you use that many...


No, you can't. If you bubble cage a large tower with a titan sitting in it, if the titan pilot even has half a brain, he'll ping his IRC or alliance chat for pos gunners to show up and start popping the retards who are trying to get close enough to the bubble to fail to aggro him with smartbombs. It won't work, unless you intend to fit a battleship full of meta 10 or higher smarties, and besides, if he just stays aware long enough or his pos gunners show up (if he doesn't have POS gunner skills himself) then he can just pop the bubbles that are intersecting him and jump out. Then there goes your plan. This kind of crap only works on resist towers, and I haven't seen any alliance use one of those for years.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#9 - 2011-10-25 17:19:30 UTC
Dunno that pos guns are really relevant to the situation, if you're raepcaging a pos, why wouldn't you have reinforced it and burned all the mods?
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#10 - 2011-10-28 17:07:14 UTC
Izuru Hishido wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
You can agress supers inside a pos shield with AoE weapons. Doesn't always work, though. Not to mention it's not possible to *entirely* rapecage supers, there are ways for them to shoot out of the POS at high speeds and escape the immediate area that can be bubbled. You could always bubble further, but GMs don't like when you use that many...


No, you can't. If you bubble cage a large tower with a titan sitting in it, if the titan pilot even has half a brain, he'll ping his IRC or alliance chat for pos gunners to show up and start popping the retards who are trying to get close enough to the bubble to fail to aggro him with smartbombs. It won't work, unless you intend to fit a battleship full of meta 10 or higher smarties, and besides, if he just stays aware long enough or his pos gunners show up (if he doesn't have POS gunner skills himself) then he can just pop the bubbles that are intersecting him and jump out. Then there goes your plan. This kind of crap only works on resist towers, and I haven't seen any alliance use one of those for years.



HEY GUYS I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE **** A RAPECAGE IS, LET ME OFFER MY STUPID UNEDUCATED OPINION



Dynast wrote:
Dunno that pos guns are really relevant to the situation, if you're raepcaging a pos, why wouldn't you have reinforced it and burned all the mods?



As well as local superiority of forces, meaning straight up fight for the defenders inside a POS is out of the question.
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-10-28 20:30:18 UTC
Sigarni Green wrote:
How will this new mechanic of logging off with agression work surrounding pos's and downtime. Example a titan is sat in a pos when the enemy fleet enters system. They are able to drop some large disruptor bubbles on the pos to effectively catching the titan. It can log off but will remain in place due to agression mechanics. What will happen during downtime? Shall the agression continue or will that 30 minute downtime cause the titan to disappear and remain logged off.
If not the implication could be that with enough time and fleet member participation you would be able to reinforce the Pos shields and keep the titan there till you can destroy the Pos.
Obviously there will be calls for rescue parties to destroy the catching fleet and their bubbles and resqueing the trapped titan.
Or are super caps perfectly safe inside any properly passworded (spy proof) Pos with 24 hours worth of Strontium in them?

On the negative side if a downtime period will save super caps. I hope and trust you are ready for some groups to attempt to crash the server if a fight turns bad for them and they need to save some of their big shiny ships.

Thanks for clearing it up in advance.


It's my understanding (not certainty) that logging out inside of a bubble reapcage like that would give the titan one 15 minute timer. Then, as he is no longer trying to emergency warp, unless reaggressed, he would disappear after that 15 minutes.

And as for downtime, it erases any and all aggression on everyone, so yes, he would disappear.
Green Beans
R and J Inc.
#12 - 2011-10-29 06:30:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Green Beans
Sigarni, I believe the word is "****". Dictionary.com defines **** as, "the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse". As for the issue mentioned in this thread, a Titan in a reinforced POS is safe except from the methods others have mentioned above. The titan still gets the normal log off treatment (15 minutes when aggressed, 1 minute when not aggressed). Remember, "****"!

EDIT: Ah, ****, it censored "the word"!

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#13 - 2011-10-30 13:52:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
in theory if titan is inside shield and you buble whole pos titan sould not get any agro before log off, so it should be gone after 1 minute anyway.
Cypermethren
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-31 05:34:18 UTC
CCP will need to verify this - considering Structure shields (Pos shields - pos mod shields, etc) regen shields over the downtime for the equivilant ammount of time the server is down.


I've seen the server go down and come back up 5mins later on some occasions, so you cant rely on CCP to give you a 15min de-aggression guarentee cuz of downtime...
Romandra
These are not the droids you're looking for
#15 - 2011-11-02 19:52:15 UTC
Izuru Hishido wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
You can agress supers inside a pos shield with AoE weapons. Doesn't always work, though. Not to mention it's not possible to *entirely* rapecage supers, there are ways for them to shoot out of the POS at high speeds and escape the immediate area that can be bubbled. You could always bubble further, but GMs don't like when you use that many...


No, you can't. If you bubble cage a large tower with a titan sitting in it, if the titan pilot even has half a brain, he'll ping his IRC or alliance chat for pos gunners to show up and start popping the retards who are trying to get close enough to the bubble to fail to aggro him with smartbombs. It won't work, unless you intend to fit a battleship full of meta 10 or higher smarties, and besides, if he just stays aware long enough or his pos gunners show up (if he doesn't have POS gunner skills himself) then he can just pop the bubbles that are intersecting him and jump out. Then there goes your plan. This kind of crap only works on resist towers, and I haven't seen any alliance use one of those for years.


This guy is really dumb. Really, really dumb. Where is the dislike butan when you need it?

**** caged POS = has no online guns because you raped them all before anchoring bubbles. It's like you missed the memo on how this works.

Resistar POS = When GENTS recently failcascaded an entire alliance while on deployment, all of our POS located in enemy territory were resistars. When Atlas burned through Geminate and half of Vale a few years ago, every one of their towers was also a resistar. They are convenient and it's a giant floating "**** you" in space, daring someone to attempt to come ref them.


Romandra
These are not the droids you're looking for
#16 - 2011-11-02 19:54:10 UTC
Feligast wrote:
Sigarni Green wrote:
How will this new mechanic of logging off with agression work surrounding pos's and downtime. Example a titan is sat in a pos when the enemy fleet enters system. They are able to drop some large disruptor bubbles on the pos to effectively catching the titan. It can log off but will remain in place due to agression mechanics. What will happen during downtime? Shall the agression continue or will that 30 minute downtime cause the titan to disappear and remain logged off.
If not the implication could be that with enough time and fleet member participation you would be able to reinforce the Pos shields and keep the titan there till you can destroy the Pos.
Obviously there will be calls for rescue parties to destroy the catching fleet and their bubbles and resqueing the trapped titan.
Or are super caps perfectly safe inside any properly passworded (spy proof) Pos with 24 hours worth of Strontium in them?

On the negative side if a downtime period will save super caps. I hope and trust you are ready for some groups to attempt to crash the server if a fight turns bad for them and they need to save some of their big shiny ships.

Thanks for clearing it up in advance.


It's my understanding (not certainty) that logging out inside of a bubble reapcage like that would give the titan one 15 minute timer. Then, as he is no longer trying to emergency warp, unless reaggressed, he would disappear after that 15 minutes.

And as for downtime, it erases any and all aggression on everyone, so yes, he would disappear.


This only applies if you log out inside a tower that your corp owns, and it certainly makes the most sense for this to be the continued mechanic for this situation. But, log out inside a caged POS that's just some random blue corp and you're proper ******.