Intergalactic Summit

If by action you mean rebuilding or restructuring the alliance, then yeah, that probably should be looked at. But more military action against them? No.

It was a screw up on both sides in my opinion, but more or less I agree. People should come to a table, have a pint, and sit down and talk. Border closing or cannon/blaster firing aren't going to solve much.

I'd say there's value, in terms of defense against something. Here's a hint to the something. It's big, gold, occasionally pointy, has a penchant for chains, and melts things with a really really hot beam.

Once they're done with the Minmatar and absorb them, they turn to us. Just because the Minmatar are their first priority for reclaiming does not mean they won't reclaim us. Hell, they even stated they want to.


For now. Give it a few years when they come breaking down our door to save our souls. The Amarr are mentioned as a danger a lot for a reason.

Many in the Federation seem to believe that the Amarrs would stop being an imperialist once the Republic is absorb by empire.. Such a wishful thinking!

But let us explore such possibility for a sec?

Let's say the Amarr are successful at completely destroying the Republic. Where does that leave the Federation? The Gallentee would suddenly be surrounded by enemies on all sides with no help in sight.

And let's not forget who is a close second on the Amarr priority list. The "Feds" .

Guess who the Caldari have being at war with many times and is responsible for kicking the State out of Caldari Prime. The "Feds".

Guess who probably yearns they still control Caldari Prime? "The State".

Only choice left would be to seek an alliance with the State to counter the Amarr threat, putting the State in a great position politically. Do you think the State would not abuse its unique positon? For example in exchange for an alliance with the State, the Federation have to give up Luminaire 0.o?

What would Caldari gain with an alliance with the Gallentee other then to gain a buffer between them and the Amarr?

Also guess who would be busy trying to sweet talk the Caldari? "The Amarr"

Guess who had a better relation with the State up to this point? "The Amarr"

Guess who will probably become the most menancingly powerful Empire in New Eden due to newfound riches? "The Amarr"

My fav, guess who had a hand in the Minmatar rebellion ?
Please read under Minmatar Rebellion tab : http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Modern_Era_of_the_Gallente_Federation

To all the Gallentee who believe that they will be fare better once the Republic is gone, can you answer me one question?

Do you believe that the Federation can fight a war on two opposite fronts?

I'll await your answer..

The Amarr Empire - by their own implicit admission in the signing of the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement - didn't have the military strength to conquer the Federation outright when it wasn't trying to fight a war with the Minmatar, didn't have the Blood Raiders or Sansha's Nation to worry about and weren't having to conduct a significant amount of their military effort through a proxy state.

The Amarr Empire is most certainly a serious danger to the Federation, but not one that is so great we need ignore all other diplomatic concerns in the face of it.

I'll point out that the Kingdom, which is smaller than State and much smaller than the Federation, managed to be independent from the Empire for 300 years simply because capturing us would have been too costly. Also, we didn't attempt to invade them.

If the Empire reacquired the Republic territory, it would spend thousands of years attempting to reintegrate the Matari. Much like a python that eats a rabbit and then spends the week digesting it.

If the Empire did attempt to attack the Federation after that, I doubt the State would help. While I doubt the two will ever kiss, make up, and become best buddies, State/Federation hostility is on the wane.

In the future, I expect the State will drop its 'alliance' and become a neutral, self-interested party. Selling everyone weapons but not letting anyone get too powerful.

I'll see your hypothetical question, and I'll raise you a less hypothetical question:

Why should the Federation consider the Amarr Empire a greater threat than the Republic? The Empire has never, to my knowledge, broken a treaty that it has signed. The Republic, on the other hand...

I agree with you Ixiris, but another thing too to remember is that the Amarrs are straight up cowards!
Only attacking the weak when they vastly outnumber them or guarenteed a total victory because their opponent have a weak military.

Give me an example when the Empire tried to invade a competent opponent not because of gross intelligence failure or their opponent was not already militarily weak. You probably will not found one because their is none.

We , the Tribes, were only invaded only because of our naivete. Even though we were technologically advance, we were peaceful and therefore for some reason or another did not develop our military.

Which exactly why the Federation did not get invaded, when the Empire came into contact with the Federation, the Federation had a competant militay that could match the Empire's.

While theirs were only equip to deal with underequipped Minmatar Rebels and not to wage a major war. But they were certainly willing to wait for the Caldari to do drain the Federation enough in order to launch an invasion later.

That is why they went and launch an invasion of the Jove because they perceive the Jove to have been weak and powerless. But what a rude awakening that was for them.

but back to the original subject, given that when the Amarr and Gallentee made contact, the Caldari still was neutral to the Empire. But given the state of affairs now, with the Cal/Amarr signing the Caldari-Amarr Declaration of Friendship. A pact that agreed to respect the sovereignty, not interfere in the internal affairs, and share intelligence on the enemies of the other side, which is still in place today. By the way, I wonder who are the enemies they are talking about?

How wishing the Republic to disappear be a good thing for the Federation?

You can dissolve the alliance, understandable, but watching your enemy suddenly gain more resources and use said resources to build a more potent military is simply suicide.

That goes for both the Republic and the Federation.. Again no problem with dissolving alliances.

There was an attempt to invade the Khanid Kingdom by Emperor Heideran. It was just too painful military for the Empire to continue. But if for whatever reason, the Kingdom stop being military competent, then they would cease to exist.

Like I stated earlier in this thread the Empire are ourtright cowards. They only invade when they are guaranteed outright victory. The only thing they seem to understand really well is force. That is what history has taught us.

That is why I believe for the Republic to continue to exist, it only needs to keep a strong military. It does not have to be strong enough to launch an offensive war, just have to be good enough to make any Amarr military invasion painful.