Intergalactic Summit

I do not have a problem with him being executed. Anyone with sense could see the decision to extradite was a death sentence in the short term. I will shed no tears over Broteau's death, nor would I shed them for any of his ilk. I have far more important things to do that over.

I do, however, find the second trial itself to have been entirely unnecessary. As has been stated multiple times before in this thread and others, anyone who expected another result from such a trial was naive and fooling themselves at best.

That is what the "show" was. Holding a trial when it did not need to be held. The Federation knew Broteau was dead the moment he was transferred to the Republic and taken across the border. The Republic knew this. Everyone else knew this.

So why waste money on a trial where everything is predetermined? Why allow him to breathe the air that he has no business breathing, even for the two days it took to go through the trial and then execute him?

If it would have been so insulting to the Republic to allow him to live long enough to provide an "ineffective defense", surely it is just as insulting to have made him, the victims and everyone else watch a trial that was scripted as a holovision series, rather than just getting it over and done with as quickly as possible?

If nothing else, at least this part of things is over and done with. It would be nice to move on and try and deal with the rest.

Honor those gone by learning lesson's from that which took them from us, and never allow them to repeat. Whether it be about security or simply reaching across the stars to actually talk with each other in partnership.

I'll wash my hands of this before it becomes a debate about who knows what and end with this;

May the Ten guide those who died in sorrow through their cultivated Facets, and may they be given a new lease on existence to rejoin us here in a happier life.

Let it be true.

So to "Let them have their justice" We just have to forget about the fact that the Federation was INVADED and thousands of Federation Navy personnel killed. Have their justice to continue to insult Federation legal systems trying and sentencing a man who killed federation citizens.

So the rouge Republic gets to have its justice and screw everyone who died by their hand to get it and screw their allies is that correct?

No. There must be a response to this.

As far as I'm concerned, that was all part of the justice, not separate from it. A poisonous ally is no ally at all. Perhaps Shakor recognizes this, even if he lacks the political capital to survive cutting that tie just yet.

Funny that you consider the Federation that has done so much to help the people of the Republic a "Poisonous ally" I doubt that any other group would have taken an invasion and killing of its military as some kind of misunderstanding that could be potentially solved by giving the invaders what they want later on.

Why wouldn't they? The Federation gains so much by keeping to Republic blue to them:

• They benefit from injections of art and culture from our artistically and culturally superiors Tribes.
• They have a more martially proficient ally at their beck and call.
• They gain a major, friendly trade partner and a woefully open market for their trashy music and smutty daytime holodramas which invariably flop in the State and the Empire.
• As long as the slaver is looking at us, he isn't looking at them - which is really the core of it.

So why wouldn't the Federation let that whole "you killed lots of people today" thing go? It's not as if they're any better than the Caldari in terms of the government caring about individual citizens' lives.

We can't have allies who consider our sov to be optional. War should be on the table even if it ends up being a limited counter-attack. If we outright say "Nope we love our allies and would never do anything to respond to them invading us and killing us" They will have zero reason to take anything else we do seriously and will feel free to kill more when it suits their fancy. Even tho they claim their fight is with the holders.

There are other, better ways to get a proper response from them. Yet if they don't respond to them war may be the only way to preserve Federation sov and to show that being an ally comes with responsibility.

Who's DK?

Nevermind, I get it.

I personally see the very fact they had a trial at all is a kind gesture to our sensitive culture and legal system. Sure it probably was a waste of time and resources, I have a feeling the Minmatar tribes would agree with your statement. None the less, execution is a powerful tool, it is part of their culture. They used an aspect of our culture and mixed it with their own beliefs, I see that as a show of respect if anything.

The very fact the Gallente politicians were insulted by what occurred shows how unbelievably blind we are as a people. "Do it our way or no way at all" is a mentality that will destroy us and isn't Gallente in the slightest. Lets not turn the Minmatar into another race who vows to destroy our civilization.

My two cents again I suppose.

And we killed them right back. The incursion at Colelie was a stupid, awful decision, but let's be clear here. To all those who are saying "We must respond!" ... we did respond.

15 dreadnaughts jumped into Federation space. No dreadnaughts jumped out. That's a response.

Further responses should be at the level of diplomats, officers and politicians making sure this does not happen again. Do any of us have any clear data as to whether or not this is happening? Are we assuming that nothing is happening?