EVE General Discussion

After reading the "against" comments, I still fail to see what is wrong with Local.

Their response can best be described as "Local is teh ebil because some players dont like conflict, and I dont agree with their playstyle, so CCP should listen to what I say and change a perfectly fine game mechanic because some people dont play EVE the way I want them to play EvE"

Would it be in everybody's,- or nobody's interest if CCP made a test case in one constellation or region of space - let say the Drone Region (do anybody live there after the nerf?) or maybe in another null region of Space, where the alliance holding the constellation has agread to be the test subjekt.

It will give us all a chance to find out how "Eve Online without local" works and CCP a change to find out if they can code a working solution, in case it actually works in enhancing the gameplay.

That is, implemente it in small steps instead of - as a global patch.
I don't think anybody, inkl. CCP, knows how a null without local would effect the hole of Eve Online and that is why we don't see it implemented.

Well lets find out so we can stop those stupid forum threads.

No, most of us just move and don't cry about it.

And? Removing that intel would be a tremendously bad idea because then it would be impossible to rat without falling prey to cloaky hot droppers all the time.

And no, in ratting systems we tend to dock up if someone we don't know shows up in local. It's pragmatic. Do you seriously expect us to come fight you in our ratting ships? I'm sure you'd love that, but be honest here. You just want easy prey.

If you were to show up in, say, a staging or home system then we'd be more likely to come out and kill you, but most people generally don't keep PVP ships in a ratting system.

It's a conflict of interest.

Basically, the people who don't want anything to change are:
The ones who want to influence others by doing nothing, afk cloakers trying to disturb null local, in order to disrupt income streams and cause a corp failure in the long run ( that is at least the intention )

The people who want local gone are:
The ones who like to sneak up on people and get an easy kill.
if you don't show up in local, you can just get in with your bomber, find a target, set yourself up nicely and PLOW!!, if you're any good at it that is.


The people who want cloaking to become an active thing are:
Null sec industrialists ( not many of those...... yet ) who don't dare taking their expensive defenseless mining barges out, because of a very likely threat.
Null sec ratters, who don't dare take their expensive ratting ships out, cause even if they are well fitted, that cloaky could be a hot-dropper.




CCP has one of the toughest jobs in the world i think.
Keeping this game "balanced" is pretty much impossible, yet to keep their player-base interested and playing, it at least needs some balance.
If they give gankers more tools to kill than they give "carebears" tools to save themselves, they wil lose subscriptions.
If they give "carebears" more tools to save themselves than they give gankers tools to kill them, they wil lose subscriptions.

PS Veel plezier met eve

The Local is a problem ....
but just in Jita

Have a nice day

I think we should have three locals:
System wide local: emtpy everywhere but highsec.
Constellation wide local: empty in nullsec and w-space.
Region wide local: empty in w-space.
(With "empty" I mean behaving like local in w-space)

This would give people a general idea of what's around them without knowing exactly where everyone are.

Dont remove local







Remove KillBoards


Then people wouldnt be such pussies about dying

There are two issues. One is local, the other is the nullbear.

Local, I feel, provides too much intel for too little (ie zero) effort. You know someone has entered your system before they've even finished jumping the gate. You know exactly how many people are in your system and can tell exactly when they come and go. This intel is extremely powerful in low population null sec space, and I feel it hinders solo/small gang pvp in null, as it allows people - both carebears and pvpers alike - intel far too quickly regarding potential threats.

The other problem is nullbears. These aren't your regular nullsec player, they're the bear ones. They want to know, with absolute certainty, when they are safe, and when they are threatened. They want the unknown variables removed entirely. They are bad EVE players and bad people in general. They use a variety of underhanded tactics to spread their malignant views and desires, such as attempting to pretend this is an issue with "AFK" players. AFK players are irrelevant entities, but on the surface "CCP get rid of AFK players" isn't as laughably invalid as "CCP get rid of uncertainty and risk"

Remove Local, balance cloaky accordingly, balance cyno accordingly.
To CCP: Balance FIRST, THEN remove local. Stop doing things in the wrong order.
Is that THAT hard?