EVE General Discussion

I didn't say bot. I said botter. If his bot is nice and docked up, he isn't making money. If he isn't making money for RMT, he is soon so butt-hurt he comes here and makes **** posts. And its always the people who have just had the teat of easy money pulled from their suckling lips who are screaming the loudest.

The great thing about the internet is that it has a memory.

So, please post a link to where I said anyhting about afk anything. It's simply incredible to me that you would hang you entire argument on the idea of a double standard that you could prove with a very simple google search, but won't (and can't).

The siple fact of the matter is that the only people who have problems with AFK cloaking are people who , rather than play creatively, would rather get some kind of I win buttons from the devlopers.

The poblem th making someone push a button every 30 minutes to stay cloaked is that is fixes a problem...by SCREWING people who legitimately cloak for prolonged periods in hostile space. Why nerf ninja ratters/explorers to get at "afk cloakers" who stop people from ratting? Cloaking allows grown folks in null to walk away for a bit to deal with real life issues without having to bother with the pain of relogging.

The game allows afk mining, it doesn't bother me a bit, but if you destroy people's ability to ninja rat and such, then those afk miners and autopilot haulers need to go away too. Because unlike the afk cloaker, the haulers and miners ARE making isk.

We? Do you have someone standing over your shoulder?

I think Tippia is wrong about this.

And while Im at it let me once again comment on the insane butt hurt of a few people in this thread.

When I was a kid, i came up with some of the dumbest ideas you could imagine, in games, in real life, whatever. I told people these wonderful ideas that couldn't fail.

They laughed their asses and MY ass off. i'm seriousl i got no ass left after all that ass related laughing. I got butt hurt for a bit. Then I grew up and realized that the way to avoid glutious related laughing was to not say stupid things in the 1st place.

I learned that lesson years ago, then i come to a forum of supposedly grown folks and a siezable minority of them never quite learned the same lesson I did. But rather than learning how to avoid being a laughing stock, they find every way under the sun for the issue to be about me (or Tippia, or Goons, or Nullsec in geneal, or the CSM, or with whatever their pet peeve is).

It thusly strikes me that these people play the game the exact same way they post. Rather than learning from thier mistakes and innovating new solutions/new paths to victory, the latch on to some external cause as the root and reason for their personal failure, and they beg the powers that be to fix it for them instead of fixing the real problem...themselves.

The real reason these discussions tend to devolve into theses kinds of messes isn't some Tippian/Jennian Trolling Conspiracy (Trollspiracy? :) ), its litterally (and you'll have to excuse me if this sounds self serving, it is, but it's also true) the forces of logic reason and personal responsiblity vs the forces of weakness, welfare-queenish entitlement and externalizing of internal failure.

This isn't to say that the game is perfect and can't progresss (it can), but most ideas people have are easily dismissable trash. you'd think a nerd hobby like EVE would have smarter participants. Or maybe it does but they are so smart they skip the forums lol.

I'm curious, do you experience Phantom Limb Syndrome from this? :P



So right. It's the typical reaction of the self esteem obsessed, participation trophy society to criticism. Attack, demonize, invalidate them from the discussion at large, and silence dissenting viewpoints.



But when told that their idea is trash, they interpret this to being an attack on themselves, and that you are saying THEY are trash. It's a natural consequence of the "everyone is entitled to their opinion" rubbish, and the concept of the equality of thought. I was raised on the precept that an opinion not backed with facts and logic is a delusion. Too many people were raised on "Well, that's my opinion anyway! *stomps off and locks self in the bathroom*".

[Edit: Also, to keep this on topic, I propose that Local be removed, and replaced with Regional. That way, everyone is screwed equally by the change. It's the only fair solution. :P

Clearly, high sec pvp I just hate it because you never now who is abusing this or that mechanic and bring 1 to--->undetermined number of alts etc., whatever when I meant high sec it's NPC corps of course.

Null sec it's simple, at least where I am it's NBSI: not purple, not green, not blue *cough*, kill it.
The local and afk cloak argument is a poor minded jelly kiddo complaining "you don't play my game", well bad news for them not only I do not play their game but I'm here to harass and destroy THEIR game, and I'll do whatever it takes to make their day, a bad day.

This is how things go, they can't handle? -fair enough, it's the game.

i have only been playing 2 weeks, and my first thought when i heard about local was "that's just silly that i can instantly know if im in danger due to a CHAT CHANNEL!"

ppl are using it as an itelligence tool which it wasn't designed to be

also why are ppl moaning about cloaking afk? if someone wants to go do somwthing while cloaked what's the problem? it's up to them if they wanna do that

Im still waiting for these people to come up with some proper replies to this thread. They keep advocating well thought through suggestions and observations, and these points are still at the core of the whole problem.

And still havent been adressed.




You know, one could argue that afk mining in itself does nothing as well. Refining your ore and then selling it or building something with it, will.

In anycase, I just noticed that other thread where someone wants to pay new players ISK every month, if they are willing to go camp a designated nullsec system whenever they are offline.

Surely thats making ISK while being afk

What "problem" does this "solve".

Also congrats on an idea that is an unimaginably huge nerf to active players.