EVE General Discussion

I think that is where having more than one vote comes in.

But then what would the purpose of cloaks be?

I have about 8 days to go before I can fly a stealth bomber with a covert ops cloak. I, too, suddenly have a desire to log on a cloaky in a system all day while I'm at work.

Heart of weakness? Puuuuleaaaseee your playing a video game and sniping the forums 24/7. Your a snapshot and poster child for this heart of weakness

So you are asking for an ACTIVE counter against a passive activity (him sitting there cloaked isn't really doing anything to him. The second he becomes a real threat (uncloaks) you can kill him.

I'd like to kill people docked in station, but CCP would be right to not give me that either.

Tippia can speak for Tippia, my opposition is based on my severe dislike of weakness and entitlement and crying. A Real Player deals with reality and uses what he's got to get what he wants, a real BAD player docks at the 1st sign of trouble and asked the developers for even more tools to "make it go away".

5 years in null and not one death to a cloaky camper (the cloaky that killed My vidi was an awoxxer, different thing), and yet this is such a big issue that CCP somehow needs to add things to the game. I seriously disagree.



OR you could take measures that make what he's doing totally useless, with the probable end result that the cloakers go looking for softer targets. Right now it's equal, cloaked he can't do anything to you and you can do anything to him. Giving people a way to hunt them down would be unbalanced and far to much in establish null sec alliances favor.

At the end fo the day, cloakys, hotdroppers (and the threat thereof), death, destruction, mistrust etc , all these things are good for the game even when they suck for us as individuals (I MISS than Vindicator lol). You THINK you want it to be easier to deal with, but I think if CCP gave you what you think you wanted, you and many others would be disappointing with the outcome.

Honestly, trying to use the argument that CCP went after AFK miners as a wedge to attack AFK cloaking is a weak one. CCP doesn't want ISK entering the game economy without any effort on the players part, for obvious reasons. I doubt they are worried about a player who generates 0 isk while afk and only presents a perceived threat to other people who want completely risk free isk.

You will not win this argument.

The cloaker isn't just generating 0 isk though. Because most "bears" (whether in null, high or otherwise...except wormholes, those guys are crazy) are uncreative risk averse "gather" types, most will dock/safe up or log rather than figure anyhting out. That means they aren't making any isk, just like the afk cloaker

So the cloaker isn't just making zero isk, he's helping control inflation in EVE (EVEflation?), lol.

Selfish people don't understand that the game isn't just all about them or that sometimes, bad things are for the best in a game like this. When i lost a raatting ship to an awoxxer I was pissed. The guy who sold me the new Vindi and mods ...he was less pissed ....he looked down right happy. now that I think of it, i suspect conspiracy.... My loss was overall good for the game.

If you give people the ability to hunt cloakys, cloakys will be less useful in altering nullbear isk making behavior, and THAT, results in infaltion (don't believe me, look at the general price indices right before the 1st anom nerf, while the nerf went to far, LOT of isk was getting pumped into the economy from null) as null sec ratters (like me) pour more and more and more liquid isk into the economy...making everyone's isk less valuable....making ratting less profitable.....

The Cloakys are helping us , fools, because while it's annoying that they camp us, they camp our competition too....

The above words are of course in vain, selfish people simply can't see big picture stuff.

What options? They can't do anything docked/pos'ed up and unwilling to come out.

Oh so many assumptions being made in this thread.

In any case I was pointing out that I would never just ignore a hostile if he was sitting in a homesystem.

Local isn't the problem, people playing sharks and minnows is however. I find it ridiculous that one person can make all the minnows in the blue pool dock while the sharks are active. Even more ridiculous is the fact that a lot of the sharks from the blue pool dock up as well! If anything you should put cyno alts in your major operations and run a security fleet so you can hot drop any attackers that come after your minnows. If you are not capable of managing this play style and continuing daily activities than you are letting the cheapest tactic known in eve, preventing you from succeeding as an alliance.

I don't spend a large amount of time in 0.0. But I can tell you I would never be apart of an alliance that could afford to build capital ships, while not being able to afford to lose a little isk to continue making isk.