EVE General Discussion

I have noticed in few topics about 'yet another' AFK cloaking threads that many people blame 'Local' to be root of problem.

So question to all those people:
What is wrong with Local?

On my part I theorize that this Local is an list of Pilots being connected to Star-systems facilities that allows Pilot to get data from navigation beacons that allow him precise maneuvering, connecting to market, making available communication with other Pilots, etc.
Whole Star-system is in movement and it is vital to be up to date on position of starbases, moons, planets etc...
Getting off the list would mean loosing all data - empty overview (except objects on local grid), no connection to market, chat, cannot warp anywhere, cannot send probes, etc... So basically - you are connected to all those systems and facilities - you are on the list. That is my justification to Local list.


So what is beyond this? Is it just difference in theorized models justifying or unjustifying presence of Local or is there something else you have on mind?

Some stated that I and others should not take voice on case that have no idea about, then please enlighten me and lots of others.

I'll bite....

The long and short of it is that people use it as an instant and infallible intel tool to avoid conflict in the first place. Right now, it's nearly impossible to surprise someone or catch them off guard without gatecamping, or using a cyno and Titan or Black-ops (which makes everyone paranoid and more adverse to taking bait).

For example:
You see a hostile enter your system (through local). Dock up everything, call out of the PvPers, and only come out when the threat has been removed or chased off.


Even PvPers are guilty of using Local. As soon as they see a spike of hostiles in Local they run for the hills until they can better assess what they are dealing with.

there's no problem with local, the problem is with peoples gameplay expectations. they log in, see a neutral and think "oh well, no eve today." do that 3 days in a row, and they start making threads about how cloaks are OP, and whatnot...

one could argue that the source of the problem is the gameplay expectation generated by NBSI diplomacy... compare it to NRDS, the CVA space wizards expect to have their day ruined by a neutral in local, and they plan accordingly. any other SOV bear? they just had their day ruined.

forget about running an anom with some other players in a bunch of t1 bcs. they cant conceive the idea of not using their pimpship or carrier to rat. and group play? forget it. eve is a single player game, unless there's a CTA.

CCP can't force all alliances to adopt NRDS and the shift in gameplay expectations that comes with it, but they can remove local on null, or have it at least list only friendlies, or maybe make using a cloak unlist the pilot from local... that way they can have the null bears understand that, no, you cant have safe space. no, you are not supposed to run anoms solo. and yes, it is ok to have a cyno light up and have to man it up or scram like rats. that's what they sign up for when they subscribed to eve.

maybe if we start that way we can finally properly balance the rewards of null, nerf the **** outta high, or better yet, get rid of CONCORD once and for all.

one can only dream.

ONOZ NOT TEH CLOAKING, ANYTHING BUT TEH CLOAKING. GOD, WHAT A WORLD WITH CLOAKING IN IT AND SO MANY PROBLEMS HARBLE GARBLE TEH CLOAKING AND AFK AND I PEED MY PANTS AND DOCKED.

This

I'm pissed because there is a cloaked ship and I am afraid to undock.

So generally what we can see here is that due to Local list - nullsec that by default should be place of monsters lurking in the darkness, either real ones or ones living in our minds, became kindergarten where ducklings flock to mother duck whenever strange shadow appears?

Is this^ the root of all problems that concerns Local and Cloaking that everyone goes crazy about?

"And since I feel the need to flog my dead horse.... Ships fitted with cov-ops cloaks simply don't show up anywhere unless they choose to make use of public chat."

Agree 100% with this statement.

Go naked. Close local chat. There's nothing so invigorating as freedom from information overload. Also, screen real estate.

If you're scared enough to dock every time there's a cloaky in system, then you don't need to undock. Ever. Because they're coming for you. Just you. And they will get you, eventually.