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Dear CCP - Kill the launcher

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Vehestian
Applied Anarchy
The Initiative.
#61 - 2013-06-16 18:04:40 UTC
How bout an edit to include new theme/music and splash entry just like all the old awesome ones but with current launcher functionality?

but yes, the current launcher has no soul.
Rynn Vendran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2013-06-16 18:43:05 UTC
I've also noticed that when I go in via the launcher, I have to reset my graphics to max every time, but when I use the exe splash screen everything stays the way I left it. Also, the splash screen is far more aesthetically pleasing. Just my two cents of course.

Smile

_Hey now, hey now now, sing this corrosion to me... _
Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-06-16 19:02:16 UTC
Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.


Hello.

If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%?

If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe


That's really not a good analogy. For a start, I don't see where it was said the launcher was working 100%, unless you take quotes completely out of context. In context, what was said was that the launcher was not the cause of the problems.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#64 - 2013-06-16 20:22:19 UTC
You all simply need to understand that the lack of a failover mode to bootstrap the client even in the event of an API failure like this is a game feature, and is working as intended.

At such a time as the client is modified to prevent it from logging in without the launcher, it will then be reclassified from game feature to minor annoyance, and scheduled for correction sometime in the latter half of 2017.
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#65 - 2013-06-16 20:41:44 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games).
Have to disagree here.
It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long).

Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof..
Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience.

When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher.
We are planning to revamp the character selection screen to become this intro in some form to the game.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#66 - 2013-06-16 20:42:14 UTC
marVLs wrote:
I want 3 things with it:

1. Better performance/optimalization
2. Saving passwords
3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc.
Most certainly on our radar for improvements.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#67 - 2013-06-16 20:43:27 UTC
Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.
Hello.

If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%?

If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe
The EVE Universe CREST API is used by the DUST Client to communicate with TQ, this is not a service only for the EVE Launcher. This service needs and should have a high uptime.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Droidyk
Maniacal Miners INC
The Legends In The Game
#68 - 2013-06-16 20:44:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidyk
We want the login screen and music back!!!, We loved it. And its going to be something that will everyone miss if you dont get rid of the launcher.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#69 - 2013-06-16 20:47:04 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Tiven loves Tansien wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.
Hello.

If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%?

If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe
The EVE Universe CREST API is used by the DUST Client to communicate with TQ, this is not a service only for the EVE Launcher. This service needs and should have a high uptime.

People seem to like to blame everything on the launcher at the moment. Personally I would like to see the launcher saving my passwords and perhaps able to log into multiple accounts at once. Eg, the launcher is awesome and I don't want it scrapped.
sens1
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-06-16 21:24:03 UTC
Altrue wrote:


Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience.

When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher.


I really miss the music & graphic, was all excited for the Odyssey one!
Angelhunter
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-06-16 21:30:21 UTC
This Launcher is slowly becoming one of the most hated things CCP has ever put on Eve players. Though i doubt it will ever be as infamous as WiS maybe if we keep threadnaughting it, they will make a change?


Kill the new launcher, doomsday that piece of crap.

Oh and if you take away my exe file i will be less than pleased.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#72 - 2013-06-16 21:39:39 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Altrue wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games).
Have to disagree here.
It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long).

Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof..
Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience.

When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher.
We are planning to revamp the character selection screen to become this intro in some form to the game.


Character selection screen revamp? Yes please!

That said ...

- 'Switch Characters' option that takes us to character selection screen, NOT the launcher.
- 'Remember Password' option for the launcher that lets us skip typing the nuts in every time. Some of us are creative.
- A focus on the character selection screen on the player's active ship, as well as the character, since we're constantly being told that EvE is a game about spaceships. Maybe putting the characters active ship as the focus of the screen instead of the abomination that is that horrible avatar (/sarcasm).
- Being able to manage, update and launch multiple accounts on different screens from one launcher would be 'AMAZING'.
- Incorporating character-info applications in the launcher, including evemail reading, chat browser, skill reader (and manager, possibly?) and other usability options.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
laassaalos Kiblos
Koshaku
#73 - 2013-06-16 21:46:50 UTC
Sorry, but the new launcher is better for switching between alts. Please keep it. I only have to enter my log in details once when I log onto an alt on the same account. Screw pretty pictures - people use ship spinning, why? Cos it is faster! End of discussion. Stop whining and enjoy the performance increase, and in an area where EVE really needs it. Seriously this game and logging in and out of accounts and alts is a joke!
Maraner
The Executioners
#74 - 2013-06-16 21:59:15 UTC
HATE the launcher.

Give me back my login in screen. I keep logging my toons out when I want to start another client. Plus I miss the old log in screens. It's a ****** looking thing as well. Another half baked half arsed apparently vulnerable release (golf clap).

KILL IT WITH FIRE.
Ken 1138
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2013-06-16 22:03:31 UTC
I loved the way the game started for each expansion since I've been playing, now all we have is an cold clunky launcher like every other game.

Don't be like other games CCP bring it back, and we will still love you.

Also could you work-in the patching system to the former start system?
Hurtado Soneka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-06-16 22:50:57 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hurtado Soneka wrote:
I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it.

Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.


Thanks for the input, and am not an expert on these things so I wont comment on the cause of network problems, but my beef is with the launcher, its a damn annoyance and would like either it be swept under the carpet or at least an option that allows me to bypass it completely and move to the old style splash screen.
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2013-06-16 23:00:23 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hurtado Soneka wrote:
I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it.

Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.


You're not convincing anyone with that. When the launcher does not work but using the .exe file gets you into the game, it makes the launcher look very guilty.
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-06-16 23:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Smohq Anmirorz
Well, that and I just plain don't like the launcher. The last one was better.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-06-16 23:15:46 UTC
signed. launcher is garbage.
to avoid using it, just use the ExeFile.exe in the bin folder of your EVE install and you can log in the old better way.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#80 - 2013-06-16 23:32:32 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hurtado Soneka wrote:
I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it.

Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.


Sooo in layman terms this means that it wasn't the launchers fault but was caused by the launcher?

Ok then, kill the launcher and all the crap code it rode in on. Please....with sugar on top.