These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Dear CCP - Kill the launcher

First post
Author
Skorpynekomimi
#41 - 2013-06-16 10:23:27 UTC
I have had only one problem with it, which was easily rectified.

Now, compared to the ease of updating things, and not needing to load the entire game up to get patches, I think it's very much worth it.

Economic PVP

Obunagawe
#42 - 2013-06-16 10:50:18 UTC
I like the new bin/exefile.exe method. Now we have a generic, fixed splash screen that uses basically no resources at all compared to the resource intensive expansion-specific screens of the past.

I'd be happy to stay in this limbo forever. As long as they don't remove my binlauncher, I'm happy.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#43 - 2013-06-16 11:02:08 UTC
CCP said that eventually the launcher will be forced upon us as the exe.file will be removed. I therefore will look into my crystal ball and make a prediction........

.....on the day CCP remove the backdoor entry via the exe.file, these forums will miraculously go down stopping anyone commenting.

If they thought WIS created a sh*tstorm, watch what removing the exe.file entry system does.
Sarmatiko
#44 - 2013-06-16 11:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
EVE need new launcher and it's actually good for client updating (ofc if we forget for a second about already existing excellent repair tool).
But feature implementation is horrible, and need of sudden forceful deployment is so unobvious that this turned into another trainwreck.
We already have alternative launchers (but with unclear position from CCP about this kind of software) with useful features and minimalistic interface.
Why this wasn't implemented in the new launcher in the first place to make this tool worthy?

Also I just want to remind everyone that it looks like current CSM position about this matter can be described with "HURR DURR MY LAUNCHER WORKS FINE" statement. Take notice for future.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#45 - 2013-06-16 11:38:08 UTC
Steijn wrote:
CCP said that eventually the launcher will be forced upon us as the exe.file will be removed. I therefore will look into my crystal ball and make a prediction........

Actually I'm fine with this, if by then they managed to come up with a login solution that's as comfortable as the .exe file.

As it is right now, the login via launcher is a rpita.

Remove standings and insurance.

Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#46 - 2013-06-16 11:45:01 UTC
Hurtado Soneka wrote:
I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it.

Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile

Am sure it uses some system resources, so if your a pauper like me on a laptop that's a pain in the ass too. CCP get it ****. Nobody likes it or needs it.

Do it, do it now kill it.

Thanks

How about,,,,, no.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#47 - 2013-06-16 11:45:34 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:

We already have alternative launchers (but with unclear position from CCP about this kind of software) with useful features and minimalistic interface.
Why this wasn't implemented in the new launcher in the first place to make this tool worthy?

That doesn't look like a launcher I'd like. Too much mouse handling.

A double click with the mouse, enter password, hit enter twice and I'm ingame, unless I need the mouse in the character screen. If character selection could be done via tab, I wouldn't even need the mouse at the character screen.

Remove standings and insurance.

Miinuri
PUSC0
#48 - 2013-06-16 12:08:12 UTC
Confirming, launcher is rubbish and a pain to use.

Always feel fuzzy inside when I get to login-screen.

Please do not remove the exefile access, ever.
Alva Dyson
Dyson's Wrecking Crew
#49 - 2013-06-16 12:22:38 UTC
gargars wrote:
I am not usually one to whine but seriously - get rid of the launcher.

No one asked for it.
We lost the splash screen/music most people liked.
It is more difficult to log into multiple accounts.
We often have to end up doing a bypass of it manually when it stops working.
I check to see if the language changed to Russian before I use it.
More ads.
More downtime.


How is this an improvement for the paying customer?



I enjoyed the splash screen and miss it now that it is gone.
Sarmatiko
#50 - 2013-06-16 12:24:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
That doesn't look like a launcher I'd like. Too much mouse handling.

Click on "Launch ticked" button and it will instantly launch any number of clients without even asking you login/password (because you will setup this only once)
One mouse click is too much for you? Blink
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#51 - 2013-06-16 15:45:39 UTC
The launcher is a clunky unwanted annoyance which created an *additional* step in the path to logging into this great game. Someone at CCP, likely near or at the top, is obsessed with it, and like some other things in the not too distant past, thinks they know what's best for the player base.

The launcher is not about updates. Updates is the pitch they are selling the subscriber base. What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games). Much of it has to do with the trial period. Forcing the new, unsubscribed, users to be exposed to specials designed to get them to commit to the game.

Once again, CCP is trying to use F2P tactics on a paying user base. This is the main reason that eveFile.exe will be "fixed". That "fix" is probably priority number 1 right now at CCP. Eve may never go F2P as some think it should, but we're sure as hell going to feel like we're in a F2P.

Profit favors the prepared

CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2013-06-16 15:52:44 UTC
Hurtado Soneka wrote:
I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it.

Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer

Sarmatiko
#53 - 2013-06-16 16:00:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
Evei Shard wrote:
What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games).

Have to disagree here.
It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long).

Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof..
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#54 - 2013-06-16 16:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
CCP Explorer wrote:
Hurtado Soneka wrote:
I don't understand why CCP introduced it. It offers nothing. It doesn't look good it doesn't even give us information in a way we wouldn't already get it.

Hell, its currently saying TQ is down, which isn't true you just by pass it via eve/bin/evefile
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.


dont worry if change was easy every one would do it.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#55 - 2013-06-16 16:21:38 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
What the launcher is really about is advertising. Marketing. Pushing specials and fluff in front of the players. With the launcher they get to parade around PLEX sales, the NEX Store, and a number of things that are not even Eve related (like other CCP Games).

Have to disagree here.
It's funny, because with removal of in-game login screen on the second plan, CCP have removed rather effective one-time splash advertisements that existed there for ages. Now devs moved them into the corner of character selection screen, so ads can be ignored just as easily as "world news" (because let's be honest - character selection screen is not the place one would stay for too long).

Of course maybe CCP internal metrics show other pictures, and minimalistic launcher ads have suddenly rised PLEX/other stuff sales through the roof..


Loosing the login screen has also been a huge loss in terms of new player experience.

When I make noob-friendly eve tutorial videos, or when a new player wants to try eve, it always begins at the login screen. A great music, plus a great animated background with the game engine... It's impossible to see such a thing one day with this poor launcher.

Signature Tanking Best Tanking

[Ex-F] CEO - Eve-guides.fr

Ultimate Citadel Guide - 2016 EVE Career Chart

Adunh Slavy
#56 - 2013-06-16 16:35:22 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:

...
the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API
...


Other than soon, when can we expect some kind of devblog about CREST? Many of us spreadsheet types that play in the market are very interested in what this might allow us to do.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Hevymetal
POT Corp
#57 - 2013-06-16 16:41:16 UTC
I really don't want to beat a dead horse.

/grabs baseball bat

But......

I must agree this new launcher is horrid. Bad design, poor performance and useless functionality.

If you must press forward with this steaming pile of bovine excrement at least continue to allow the direct execution of the game .exe so that those of us that choose to avoid it will continue to have that option.
marVLs
#58 - 2013-06-16 17:07:26 UTC
I want 3 things with it:

1. Better performance/optimalization
2. Saving passwords
3. Redone character lobby with expansion theme, some animations etc. overall something cool like those prototype screens with new interface etc.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#59 - 2013-06-16 17:19:29 UTC
If people don't have anythign else to complain about than the launcher I think it's a pretty good day. Really.

Share your experience

Write for the EVE Tribune

www.eve-tribune.com

Tiven loves Tansien
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-06-16 17:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiven loves Tansien
CCP Explorer wrote:
For the record, this issue had nothing to do with the launcher. The problem was that the new EVE Universe CREST API, used by the DUST Client and the EVE Launcher and long-term replacement for the EVE API, was partly unable to connect to the TQ proxy servers. Eventually we had to reboot TQ to get things working again. At all times the EVE Launcher was working properly but resources it depends on were not. We apologise for that incident last night.


Hello.

If services -dedicated and needed to the launcher only- go down, then how was the launcher working 100%?

If explorer.exe stops working all of a sudden, i blame Windows not explorer.exe