Player Features and Ideas Discussion

assault frigs
heavy assault cruisers
marauders.

the path is laid, just follow it.
a t2 bs that dishes it out as well as can take a hit.

pirates dish it out big time. the frigs follow a path to bs. same thing. why is it that they can and people say they are fine, but when you mention a t2 hac style bs, people flip? pirates are still more powerful to an extent.

i mean most pirate frigs are tougher than t2. most pirate cruisers are tougher than t2, most pirate bs would be tougher than t2 hac bs's.
it follows a linear progression.

we dont need pve only ships. we need general purpose ships to be used how we see fit. if i wanna rat in my rorqual, i can. if i wanna pvp in my mining frig, who says i cant?

why would limmiting the use of a particular bs be ok if the same restriction doesnt apply everywhere else?

so they would be tough and damaging. we have tough and damaging already. pirates.

now, unless they are going to redisign it for other purposes, i dont see the need to keep it pve. that concept is lame.
i know they are toning pirates down, but marauders can be fit in and balance the equation.

I'd like to see the deficiencies of Marauders addresses. They're not far off IMO, but definitely need some love. I know SP/training time shouldn't be a large factor in balance, but compared to a Faction BS, Marauders take 100 days additional training (absolute minimum) which is too hefty an investment to be outclassed on all levels.

As an example, here's how I'd have the Golem - it retains pretty much the same damage, although DPS output gets a boost from drone bandwidth buff. The Marauders skill bonuses are reworked slightly and the Role Bonus too. I've used the Golem because I'm most familiar with it and the Navy Raven (which does everything better)

Buffs to sensor strength, shield HP, target painter bonus to improve performance. Marauders in general are well suited to their role, but need a bit of a buff to be equivalent in potential output to Pirate/Faction BS and sufficiently superior in their individual specialised bonuses.

GOLEM

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity and 5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level
Marauders Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to shield boost amount and 10% (+2.5%) bonus to effectiveness of target painters per level. 60% (new) bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams per level.
Role Bonus:
100% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo damage. 25% (new) increase in chance of salvage retrieval for Salvage Modules and Salvage Drones.

Slot layout: 7H, 7M, 5L (+1); 0 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 6600 PWG (+100), 715 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull): 9000(+800) / 7000(-300) / 7300
Capacitor (amount): 5800 (+175)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass): 120(+15) / .11(-.01) / 105200000
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100 (+25) / 100
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km / 90 (+17) / 10
Sensor strength: 25 Gravimetric (+11)
Signature radius: 475(-100)


TP bonus bumped to 10%. This makes fitting 3 or more target painters and maddening juggling on torp boats less of a requirement allowing for improved damage application.
Tractors changed to 60% per level - still inferior to a Noctis and gives a little more for Marauder skill levels while improving the operational range.
Similarly, salvaging bonus provides a tasty improvement without trivialising salvage ships.

+ 1 low slot allows fitting of an additional utility low slot in addition to damage mods.
Slight boost in PG makes fitting of cloaks or probe scanners more achievable.
Boost to primary tank attribute. Marauders are pretty squishy next to Faction BS, so need a bit of bump as I feel the gap is too large. Faction BS are fine to be tankier, but not by 25%
Similarly, a boost to cap to close the gap on other BS hulls and to improve operation of utility high mods.
Small boost to mobility. Slow boating BS are just way too painful. Marauders are severely hamstrung in mobility.
Sensor strength bump. Although this seems like a large bump, a player ECM ship will still jam it no problem and NPC Guristas can still land jams on it. There is no logical reason for the atrocious sensors on Marauders.
Same with sig radius reduction. Its fine for them to be big ass ships, but the current radii are ridiculous.


I don't feel these are too large of changes or make the Golem an unstoppable powerhouse. These types of changes are possibe with all the Marauders. Some interesting points on wormhole operations, but I would like to see T3 BS hulls for that - with role bonus effective mass reductions, polarisation compensators and all manner of tasty goodness :)

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL NO!
brutor-style vargur awesome.

Touchy! Fine, you can donate the matte black theme to the Caldari then. :)

^ Great suggestions. I'd like to see all the resistances buffed (along the lines of command ships), and 3 rig slots. The Golem also needs a 5th low/utility slot (not sure about the others). To encourage use in PvP, I wouldn't also mind seeing a inherent -2 warp core strength as a roll bonus for all.

I like the idea of a Marauder-specific weapon. How about a 100% cap nullifier with a 10-minute recharge? As for reps, a -100% penalty should suffice.

this a thousand times

18 months? i have 2 toons with marauder 5.. =\

been waitin for years....

i agree that there are a lot of good ideas posted here. just give us a direction and we can give feed back which would make balancing easier.

When the ship gets larger than a cruiser the resists get a little nerf. Still follow the same racial resist pattern though

If this is the most difficult battleship to get into, shouldn't it also be the most effective?