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CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks

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Hans Zwaardhandler
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#81 - 2013-06-14 15:57:32 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Well, you can do one of several things.

A) Absolutely nothing, ship spin, etc.
B) Move somewhere else if possible.
C) Try to bait him out.

Of course, B and C require effort to actually be put into motion instead of alt-tabbing to your out of game browser waiting for him to leave.


D.) Say F-U and continue doing what you want...using PvP ships.


Removing local will fix it.

As then nobody would even know there is an AFK cloaky in system.
But then again, carebears will again complain that their intel channels are useless if nobody sees fleets come in.


PvP ships yes, removing local no on the basis of what people has already been pointed out.

By the way, ohai JP.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#82 - 2013-06-14 16:00:10 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Well, you can do one of several things.

A) Absolutely nothing, ship spin, etc.
B) Move somewhere else if possible.
C) Try to bait him out.

Of course, B and C require effort to actually be put into motion instead of alt-tabbing to your out of game browser waiting for him to leave.


D.) Say F-U and continue doing what you want...using PvP ships.


Removing local will fix it.

As then nobody would even know there is an AFK cloaky in system.
But then again, carebears will again complain that their intel channels are useless if nobody sees fleets come in.


I am guessing you dont live in null.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#83 - 2013-06-14 16:01:26 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Well, you can do one of several things.

A) Absolutely nothing, ship spin, etc.
B) Move somewhere else if possible.
C) Try to bait him out.

Of course, B and C require effort to actually be put into motion instead of alt-tabbing to your out of game browser waiting for him to leave.


D.) Say F-U and continue doing what you want...using PvP ships.


Removing local will fix it.

As then nobody would even know there is an AFK cloaky in system.
But then again, carebears will again complain that their intel channels are useless if nobody sees fleets come in.


PvP ships yes, removing local no on the basis of what people has already been pointed out.

By the way, ohai JP.


What reasons...only saw crap stuff like WH don't have fixed entry etc.

Removing local means people aren't aware of what is with them in system unless they actually try to gather intel.
Without you knowing about that AFK guy...you don't care.

But of course, all the null people will complain cause it makes their intel channels covering half of EVE useless.
Guess what, it is still a fix. It just means people have to something else then just watch local and post it in intel channels.

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Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#84 - 2013-06-14 16:02:01 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Well, you can do one of several things.

A) Absolutely nothing, ship spin, etc.
B) Move somewhere else if possible.
C) Try to bait him out.

Of course, B and C require effort to actually be put into motion instead of alt-tabbing to your out of game browser waiting for him to leave.


D.) Say F-U and continue doing what you want...using PvP ships.


Removing local will fix it.

As then nobody would even know there is an AFK cloaky in system.
But then again, carebears will again complain that their intel channels are useless if nobody sees fleets come in.


I am guessing you dont live in null.


Not anymore.

I can't stand all the whining carebears there nor the blob PvP

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Probebly Afk Cloaking
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-06-14 16:02:47 UTC
Afk cloaking working as intended
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2013-06-14 16:02:50 UTC
Another awesome piece of advice for those who want local removed, click the little ash tag of local window that will minimize it.

Done, you have no local that bothers you anymore.

Another 500M isk for me plz.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#87 - 2013-06-14 16:03:29 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Random Woman wrote:
Remove Local, problem solved. Dont hear much afk cloaking whining from the wh croud. No local seemed to have fixed it for em.


Except for the fact that, as it has been mentioned before in other threads, that wormholes are unique in a variety of ways; you actually have to probe down the wormhole entrance, the wormhole can collapse and reshuffle to another position, and you cannot cyno in a wormhole system, which prevents drops and such.

So, comparing the tired old argument of local/cloaking in lowsec/nullsec vs. wormhole space is pointless given that they are not equal.



Yes they are different, but many aspects of the comparison still hold true.

You don't need hotdrops in WH space because you can sneak an entire cloaky fleet in undetected. I'd say hotdrops are a side efffect of local as well, trying to storm in from a gate spikes local giving people time to react.

Yea wormholes collapse, others show up. Unless you want to sit inside all day from downtime there is generally no way to be absolutely sure you are alone in a system.

Bottom line however is that WH folk have learned how to deal with these situations and manage to leave their POS shields anyway.


Very true.

On the other hand, for all of those people to come through the wormhole, they need to find it and smuggle there way in first; this can be observed by someone with an observing character in a cloaked ship on the wormhole, which gives time to react in such a situation. Whereas in nullsec, they can be in an entirely different region sitting on a titan/black ops battleship waiting for the cyno lighter to say that they are ready, and suddenly you have ships everywhere without the possibility of knowing that they were forming up.

Again, nullsec and wormhole space cannot really be compared to each other because they were built and designed differently from each other, and removing local from the game won't fix the problem, as it is a very shortsighted "fix".


Uhm.

Doesn't that mean that the cyno has to first be flown in.
And gates are fixed, so you can just place the same observing character there like with your WH example.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#88 - 2013-06-14 16:04:08 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Removing local means people aren't aware of what is with them in system unless they actually try to gather intel.
Without you knowing about that AFK guy...you don't care.

But of course, all the null people will complain cause it makes their intel channels covering half of EVE useless.
Guess what, it is still a fix. It just means people have to something else then just watch local and post it in intel channels.


It just means people won't undock in shiny ships to run anomalies and AFK cloakers will have nothing worth hotdropping because everyone flies 200m isk fits.

Oh god.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#89 - 2013-06-14 16:04:29 UTC
You guys posting here act like you never lived in null and never for a corp that cares about their KB. In most corps you can be kicked if you loose something to a cloaky. SOP for most corps to stay POS/docked up to prevent possible loss. So you go play your alt.

I agree with the OP. Interaction should be required to remain cloaked.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#90 - 2013-06-14 16:06:19 UTC
Probebly Afk Cloaking wrote:
Afk cloaking working as intended


So was afk ice mining and they fixed that. Lets fix afk cloaking next.

Thank you that is all.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#91 - 2013-06-14 16:06:27 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Random Woman wrote:
Remove Local, problem solved. Dont hear much afk cloaking whining from the wh croud. No local seemed to have fixed it for em.


Except for the fact that, as it has been mentioned before in other threads, that wormholes are unique in a variety of ways; you actually have to probe down the wormhole entrance, the wormhole can collapse and reshuffle to another position, and you cannot cyno in a wormhole system, which prevents drops and such.

So, comparing the tired old argument of local/cloaking in lowsec/nullsec vs. wormhole space is pointless given that they are not equal.



Yes they are different, but many aspects of the comparison still hold true.

You don't need hotdrops in WH space because you can sneak an entire cloaky fleet in undetected. I'd say hotdrops are a side efffect of local as well, trying to storm in from a gate spikes local giving people time to react.

Yea wormholes collapse, others show up. Unless you want to sit inside all day from downtime there is generally no way to be absolutely sure you are alone in a system.

Bottom line however is that WH folk have learned how to deal with these situations and manage to leave their POS shields anyway.


This.

If I sit in a WH cloaked up...does it mean that the WH residents will act differently...not at all
What if a 50 man fleet is there somewhere off D-scan...no change

Now let's apply same example on null-sec.

first one: People complain about cloaky campers
second: People will not even think about undocking.

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Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#92 - 2013-06-14 16:07:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Menda
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
You guys posting here act like you never lived in null and never for a corp that cares about their KB. In most corps you can be kicked if you loose something to a cloaky. SOP for most corps to stay POS/docked up to prevent possible loss. So you go play your alt.

I agree with the OP. Interaction should be required to remain cloaked.


And you sir are a ****** posting with an alt cause you are scared someone will find you.

I've lived in null for over 2 years.
And I never complained or was bothered with cloaky campers. It's knowing how to use D-scan...

You just are like all the typical carebears in null that complain when they can't make their ISK.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#93 - 2013-06-14 16:10:58 UTC
did someone say cloaking?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Walton Simons
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#94 - 2013-06-14 16:11:05 UTC
love how i go afk and there are over 3 more pages lol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#95 - 2013-06-14 16:12:10 UTC
Walton Simons wrote:
love how i go afk and there are over 3 more pages lol



See?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Walton Simons
Perfusus Sanguine
Pandemic Horde
#96 - 2013-06-14 16:12:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Walton Simons wrote:
love how i go afk and there are over 3 more pages lol



See?


Depends what your trying to get me to seeeeee
Hans Zwaardhandler
Resilience.
The Initiative.
#97 - 2013-06-14 16:12:32 UTC
Ace Menda wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Random Woman wrote:
Remove Local, problem solved. Dont hear much afk cloaking whining from the wh croud. No local seemed to have fixed it for em.


Except for the fact that, as it has been mentioned before in other threads, that wormholes are unique in a variety of ways; you actually have to probe down the wormhole entrance, the wormhole can collapse and reshuffle to another position, and you cannot cyno in a wormhole system, which prevents drops and such.

So, comparing the tired old argument of local/cloaking in lowsec/nullsec vs. wormhole space is pointless given that they are not equal.



Yes they are different, but many aspects of the comparison still hold true.

You don't need hotdrops in WH space because you can sneak an entire cloaky fleet in undetected. I'd say hotdrops are a side efffect of local as well, trying to storm in from a gate spikes local giving people time to react.

Yea wormholes collapse, others show up. Unless you want to sit inside all day from downtime there is generally no way to be absolutely sure you are alone in a system.

Bottom line however is that WH folk have learned how to deal with these situations and manage to leave their POS shields anyway.


This.

If I sit in a WH cloaked up...does it mean that the WH residents will act differently...not at all
What if a 50 man fleet is there somewhere off D-scan...no change

Now let's apply same example on null-sec.

first one: People complain about cloaky campers
second: People will not even think about undocking.


Except in the first example, they don't even know that they have guests in their area.

Whereas in nullsec, you'd be hardpressed to get people to go out and do stuff with fifty people in local because you might as well buy ships and modules off of market and hit the trash button.
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#98 - 2013-06-14 16:12:45 UTC
Walton Simons wrote:
love how i go afk and there are over 3 more pages lol


Did you put your cloak on or were you decloaked?

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Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#99 - 2013-06-14 16:12:54 UTC
Walton Simons wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Walton Simons wrote:
CCP stll needs to do something about cloaks, i mean seriously one click and your invisible for all day, can't do **** cause this one person wants to afk with a cyno rapier in the middle of space

it's ok though, cloak takes no cap and you can't find the person unless he magically decloaks while afk but you know that won't happen while hes in the middle of space and there is noting there


in my opinion cloaks are very op and need a nerf :) like the prices of dreads need a nerf lol


1. Don't be a coward.
2. If he is AFK, he can't actually do anything.
3. He can't decloak while AFK.
4. If you are so genuinely terrified by the threat of a pilot who isn't even at his computer, move to a different system.
5. Heaven forbid you set up bait for him and counter his hotdrop or whatever he is planning. Of course, being AFK, he can't actually do anything anyway.


not a coward been ratting with him here for past 2 hours, just saying it is broken, for someone being able to sit in the middle of space cloaked and safe,


So... what you are saying is that while you are ratting in NULLSEC you want no RISK.

I seem to have read somewhere about risk/reward....
Ace Menda
Gemini Lounge
#100 - 2013-06-14 16:14:17 UTC
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Ace Menda wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Random Woman wrote:
Remove Local, problem solved. Dont hear much afk cloaking whining from the wh croud. No local seemed to have fixed it for em.


Except for the fact that, as it has been mentioned before in other threads, that wormholes are unique in a variety of ways; you actually have to probe down the wormhole entrance, the wormhole can collapse and reshuffle to another position, and you cannot cyno in a wormhole system, which prevents drops and such.

So, comparing the tired old argument of local/cloaking in lowsec/nullsec vs. wormhole space is pointless given that they are not equal.



Yes they are different, but many aspects of the comparison still hold true.

You don't need hotdrops in WH space because you can sneak an entire cloaky fleet in undetected. I'd say hotdrops are a side efffect of local as well, trying to storm in from a gate spikes local giving people time to react.

Yea wormholes collapse, others show up. Unless you want to sit inside all day from downtime there is generally no way to be absolutely sure you are alone in a system.

Bottom line however is that WH folk have learned how to deal with these situations and manage to leave their POS shields anyway.


This.

If I sit in a WH cloaked up...does it mean that the WH residents will act differently...not at all
What if a 50 man fleet is there somewhere off D-scan...no change

Now let's apply same example on null-sec.

first one: People complain about cloaky campers
second: People will not even think about undocking.


Except in the first example, they don't even know that they have guests in their area.

Whereas in nullsec, you'd be hardpressed to get people to go out and do stuff with fifty people in local because you might as well buy ships and modules off of market and hit the trash button.


You don't even know you have guest around...cause there is no local

now minimize local in null-sec....you have W space system, if you don't see them...they aren't there

But. Carebears don't like that, it messes up their sense of security.

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