EVE General Discussion

Then you are obviously in danger. I would undock and cloak up if I were you.

Local should also be made like a wormhole, in that as soon as you click on it, it warps you to a different chat window in an entirely different game..

Scanning for other ships should be changed to look like this;


.........^.........>^.....<..........**********BLIP

And require you to decipher this to find out what you're tracking so you can plug that info into another screen that will let you calculate your prey's speed

which then lets you fly around and triangulate their position to create a firing solution like this.

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23781904787234742742309-090-90

FIREFIREFIREFIRE




Miss

As space is big, only missiles should be allowed, and their flight time willof course be in hours or days due to the distance they must travel.


To successfully strike another space vessel, you will have to turn all other modules off as the processing power necessary to calculate a successful strike against even a slow moving target which does not deviate its course will be immense.



(not aking the mick, I just liked what you posted and wanted a go)

First up, some credentials relevant to what I'm about to say. I am a 1 month old newbie to EVE. I primarily play the newbie industrial style(mining(boring but can be decent isk, esp. with anoms), light production here and there as I can afford(ammo sells VERY well in newbie career tutorial stations), exploring), and do mostly operate in highsec currently. However, I have on multiple occasions jumped into WHs or ventured out into lowsec the old fashioned way to expand my play. I haven't killed anyone in PVP, but have died 4 times. Then again, that's probably expected for newbies anyway. Half in a poor-fit Catalyst, other half in Venture. Half in lowsec, other in WHs.

Now for relevance: The WH half of those deaths involved cloaking.

Death #3: After the Odyssey update, the "owners" (as I define them by presense of their base; one of them told me no one truely can own a WH) of the holes were cloaked and camping a HS connection because they were fed up with the string of newbies jumping into their turf. I was at the time the latest newbie to show. One cloaky camper was in the HS side, acting as the scout with Local showing his name, to see who jumps in. The other was in the WH side to see what those newbies then decided to do. As I wasn't scared of the red -1.0 and warped off to check out a local anom, the HS side guy jumped in and both uncloaked and waited for my return as a normal gatecamp. I showed up as expected, and went boom.

If I had dscanned before warping to the entrance, that death would not have happened, or would have been delayed as they may have chased me down(or if I probed down another WH, whoever owned THAT one might have gotten me). While cloaks were involved, it was my fault.

Death #4: I was mining Arkonor in someone else's WH, and didn't pay enough mind to the presence of sleeper wrecks being a potential sign that the owner was still present. He was PI collecting in a badger and caught me in dscan; I didn't use mine. He brought in a covops, flew near enough to the Arkonor to set up a BM (as it and I were 60km off the anom beacon), and left, without me ever seeing him. Then he returned in a Heavy Interdictor and bubbled, webbed, and shoved missiles up my exhaust. The last bit twice, since my pod could not escape the bubble any better than the Venture.

If I was constantly dscanning around while mining(in that instance, I did a bit of scanning before warping to the anom, but none after), I would have spotted the Badger and maybe high-tailed it out of there. No cloaky-bookmarking-hictor-death would have happened.

Both of my cloaky-related deaths were through my own fault. Granted, the guys in #3 could have stayed cloaked until I showed up, but they may not have been able to decloak fast enough to kill me before I reached the hole to HS, so that's moot. And #4 might not have done any better attacking with the cloaky since Venture has +2 warp stab so I could have run if he decloaked, assuming his cloaky even had a scrambler to hit me with asap while I aligned.

All in all, despite being on the receiving end of two uses of cloak to score a kill, I find no issue with the cloaking device. It takes time to decloak before you can do anything, and cloak being a highslot means less room for firepower. Even if they want to set up a covert cyno, they have to decloak to do so, regardless of the cloaking status of the generator. The few ships that have the ability to fit a cloak you can warp around in have some other weaknesses built in to balance this, and even they still can't do anything else while cloaked. If you could mine or shoot or light cynos while invisible, then yeah, certainly cloaking device would be OP and need a nerf. However, you cannot, so cloak is fine. This from a newb who was killed by cloakycamp and cloaky-bookmark-self-hotdrop.

I am still going to mine in WHs when I get the chance; access to high-end ore without the long string of jumps from high to null is worth the risk of exploding. I'm just gonig to be watching my dscans more closely to see when my little miner needs to leave.

Cloak is fine.

AFK cloak is not.

Effect needs to be proportional to effort and AFK cloaking is way imbalanced. There are so many threads because this is almost certainly the biggest long running issue in Eve that CCP don't appear interested in fixing.

Or were you not afk, just cloaked and watching the action unfold?

Nowhere did I say anything about someone lighting a cyno while being afk.

And yes I'm sorry, cloak warping on a T3 is too much. They are more powerful than any other ship with this ability by orders of magnitude. And seriously, what does WH space have to do with tech 3 ships having covert ops cloaks? I think that you should have to use a scout if you're going to gank someone. I don't think you should have a ship that does all roles better than the ships designed for them and then the role of the ship they're supposed to support with that role better than that ship too!!

You're arguement is weak and over played. And you come off like you didn't even read what I posted. Don't reply to posts unless you read/understand what they're saying. You might make yourself look dumb(er).

1) Yes you did. Here:

By definition of being a useful scout/cyno lighter he isnt AFK. If you were saying that Covert Ops ships are too powerful because of this, then I can understand, but being AFK has nothing to do with what you are saying they can do, sorry.

2) I dont know why you think Covert T3s are so powerful. They dont out gun ANY BC fitted worth a damn, and a fair few Force Recons out DPS some of them. They certainly dont have anywhere near the neut/target painting/drone carrying/logi/covert cyno dropping capabilities of dedicated Recon Cruisers.

T3s are very expensive to risk as scouts in WHs. If you were to do that instead of using a Buzzard or whatever, Id say you had more money than sense. HOWEVER, NOTHING scouts 0.0 better than a T3 which is their best function, as heavy battlescouts for large fleets. Given their expense and the skills required to operate them properly, I dont see the problem.

Also there is no need to be so rude.



I hadnt even made an argument before you posted that. And "Dumber" isnt a word.

I'd use a cloak ....



But i'm concerned about engine intakes.

Oh please. With the exception of maybe the Proteus, every other cloaky T3 does pretty **** poor damage.

I don't care about cloakers but...

AFKing (cloaked or not) is bad for the planet.

I thought the Icelandic people felt involved in the management of energy (for example, through the use of geothermal energy)

Thus, why allowing the players to not actually play while their computer is consuming energy ?