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Adding Pirate Faction Warfare to Faction Warfare

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Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#1 - 2013-06-14 12:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Bakuhz
To start we are missing Pirate Faction Warfare in the game!

We have quite alot of Pirate Faction sympathizers in eve wich is something that adds some juice to the game. This would be great if we can really work under the flag of such an entity like currently you can be in the navy. Ofcourse this comes with positive and negative effects.

Example always have Outlaw status Hi-Sec NPC and Capsuleers Will be able to hunt you down even with possitive security standings.
Only Able to go into Hi-Sec by buying a Pardon Letter in a Low or 0.0 border to Hi-Sec in the stations wich will cost you a Considerate amount of ISK. and LP and it wil lbe for 24 hours only.
Ganking will Take away the Pardon letter and concord, navy and capsuleers alike will see you become flashy red right away.
to counter the negative standing pilots to be able to go to high sec unpunished and gank something juicy the pardon should be not to cheap.

example 1 x 24H pardon will cost 50.000.000 ISK and 50.000 LP.
it will be allowed to stack them so you can add multiple day's
They can't be traded or Contracted to by-pass the mechanics!!!

to be clear the only way to have Hi-Sec access is by Pardon letter's as positive standings or grinding for the clone soldier tag's will not have any effect what so ever you are considered a pirate by CONCORD

Breaking Rules of Engagement set by pardon letter will get you a fine with the next formula:

Destroyed Ship + Modules + Rigs / 100 x 80 = Fine

example:
Cruiser 9.000.000 isk
Rigs 12.000.000 isk
Modules 18.000.000 isk
-------------------------- +
Total 39.000.000 / 100 = 390.000 x 80 = 31.200.000 Isk wich is 80% of the original vallue

This fine will be taken by Concord and you will be Concorded.
also you lose the remaining Pardon letter time also the stacked letter's
This way the only reason for a pirate faction warfare pilot to gain acces to HI-Sec for a day is either run incursions or re-supply his arsenal

The pirate in Pirate faction corporation or alliance will make isk and LP in the following way's
- Active hunting Navy Faction Capsuleers in FW space.
- Destroying a ship will be rewarded with some LP and Isk compared to the destroyed hull.
- Pirates now can take control of the same Faction Warfare sites in the same way by orbiting the structure in the sites.
- They will have to get rid of the NPC faction in the site to start the timer.
- When completed this will be rewarded with LP from your Pirate Faction.

Further we need more lvl 1 to 5 agents seeded in Low-Sec to do missions against Concord and the 4 Empire Factions.

To support this kind of addition to eve.
It will enhance the Sandbox and roleplay community, this could be a great feature.

Another thing add small Hi-Sec Pocket for Tutorial agents and carreer agents piracy focussed and allow new players to start directly as a Blood raider or Angel for example were they can run lvl 1 & 2 missions Only to motivate to move to low/0.0 space for better agents.
And train up a bit to work up to PvP switching Concord out for the Local Pirate Faction.
basically creating little Tortuga's for each Pirate Faction.

Well some will like this idea and some wont like this, what i want is constructive feedback on ideas and why or why not having certain mechanics like the examples i have stated in this post. Pirate

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Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2013-06-14 12:52:30 UTC
Give me a second while I go pop a bottle of 18 year old Chivers Regal, re-read this post and scream and shout in drunken excitement!!!

+1 Here

For the little hi-sec islands in low sec where you will start your Pirate FW career, are you suggesting that the security of that space would be the relevant pirate faction npcs that act like and as strong as the navy in hi-sec, that they engage people not enlisted as a part of that perticular Pirate FW?

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Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-06-14 12:53:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Bakuhz
Edited some of the mechanics
being able to bypass pardon's letter mechanic's by paying other pirate faction capsuleers for the LP to gain them

now pirates can not trade or contract over pardon letters. mechanic has been added to the prevent easy hHi-Sec access.

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Grunnax Aurelius
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-06-14 12:59:47 UTC
Bakuhz wrote:
Edited some of the mechanics
being able to bypass pardon's letter mechanic's by paying other pirate faction capsuleers for the LP to gain them

now pirates can not trade or contract over pardon letters. mechanic has been added to the prevent easy hHi-Sec access.


So essentially the pardon is a character bound item, eg. not tradable. awesome!!!

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Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-06-14 13:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Bakuhz
Grunnax Aurelius wrote:
Give me a second while I go pop a bottle of 18 year old Chivers Regal, re-read this post and scream and shout in drunken excitement!!!

+1 Here

For the little hi-sec islands in low sec where you will start your Pirate FW career, are you suggesting that the security of that space would be the relevant pirate faction npcs that act like and as strong as the navy in hi-sec, that they engage people not enlisted as a part of that perticular Pirate FW?


it will be the CONCORD of the Pirate Faction in the starter pirate system's to prevent Game Breaking Ganks and griefing.

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Leslie Chow
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-14 17:11:32 UTC
Too busy to read whole post but.
THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN SOME FORM CCP.
Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2013-06-14 19:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bakuhz
requesting more feedback to work this topic out more
i would not mind to work in the late hour's with ccp to refine this idea

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Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-06-16 00:50:00 UTC
bomp

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Naomi Anthar
#9 - 2013-06-16 00:58:10 UTC
I support this but ... also i would love to see more low sec. And part of this war to take also in low sec, not just null.

But this is absolutely one of best things (at least for me) that can happen to EvE. I would be loyal AS HELL Corpus or Centus Soldier !

Not sure about who would fight with who ... As far as i can tell you it would be Blood Raiders + Sansha vs Angel + Serpentis. I think Dread Guristas are more friends with Sansha/Blood Raiders than with Angel / Serpentis too. That could lead to some imbalance like 3 factions vs 2 . But in the end EVE is cruel world and is not meant to be FAIR ;).
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#10 - 2013-06-16 01:54:40 UTC
this would require quite severe penalties otherwise there would be no reason to not join the pirate faction if you are already in FW. E.g.: standing penalties with all four factions would be the minimum. But the standing penalties are already so insignificant that it basically doesn't matter.

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Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-06-16 08:21:50 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:
I support this but ... also i would love to see more low sec. And part of this war to take also in low sec, not just null.

But this is absolutely one of best things (at least for me) that can happen to EvE. I would be loyal AS HELL Corpus or Centus Soldier !

Not sure about who would fight with who ... As far as i can tell you it would be Blood Raiders + Sansha vs Angel + Serpentis. I think Dread Guristas are more friends with Sansha/Blood Raiders than with Angel / Serpentis too. That could lead to some imbalance like 3 factions vs 2 . But in the end EVE is cruel world and is not meant to be FAIR ;).


by lore some of the pirates are allied to eachother and some are enemies from eachother this should be the case.
but also they will have all 4 empires in the neck as a pirate is an outlaw so they will also fight the current respective empire navy factions

all this will be in low-sec as it should be playing in the same territory of the empires.
currently most pirate npc agents are 0.0 and they would need to be seeded over low-sec and 0.0.
though 0.0 is not to be touched for sov is the game mechanic there.

this is a low-sec game so it should stick there its basically nothing more then an expansion of the current faction warfare more weaved in the storylines of new eden.

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Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-06-16 08:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bakuhz
Bienator II wrote:
this would require quite severe penalties otherwise there would be no reason to not join the pirate faction if you are already in FW. E.g.: standing penalties with all four factions would be the minimum. But the standing penalties are already so insignificant that it basically doesn't matter.


yes this is my idea aswell you are an outlaw and banned from Hi-Sec by default.
this is where the Pardon letter comes to play.

aswel lthat some of the pirate factions are alied to eachother and some are enemies.
all this should play a role in the respective pirate factions.

following the storyline of new eden is important as this icreases the Roleplay genre for the players love.
i think CVA would love to support this aswell as they are roleplayers aswell and nice juicy targets.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#13 - 2013-06-16 08:38:07 UTC
Just when I had lost hope that there would be any good ideas posted today.

+1
Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2013-06-16 10:57:19 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Just when I had lost hope that there would be any good ideas posted today.

+1


there is hope? yeaaah!!!

but seriously we need something like this Pirate

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#15 - 2013-06-16 11:57:53 UTC
I would like to see pirate faction presence in lowsec. It makes more sense for them to have stations there than the empires fighting over the 0.1 status systems as they currently do.
Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2013-06-16 12:13:51 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
I would like to see pirate faction presence in lowsec. It makes more sense for them to have stations there than the empires fighting over the 0.1 status systems as they currently do.


strong point there.
the security lvl is low the only reason should be because pirate activity is very high there and
empire loses grasp over ground.

now CCP can add Pirates to DUST 514 aswell.

but i dont care about the console gamer's out there EVE is my main goal

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poepstreep66
United Electro-Magnetic Federation
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#17 - 2013-06-16 12:16:44 UTC
I would say this idea should be a point of focus for the next expension. Pilots and corps have been wanting to "join" with pirate factions for years now. Pilots use to do it in the roleplaying kind of way. This however would be a great improvment.
soldieroffortune 258
Soldier of Fortune Inc.
#18 - 2013-06-16 12:59:31 UTC
Naomi Anthar wrote:
I support this but ... also i would love to see more low sec. And part of this war to take also in low sec, not just null.

But this is absolutely one of best things (at least for me) that can happen to EvE. I would be loyal AS HELL Corpus or Centus Soldier !

Not sure about who would fight with who ... As far as i can tell you it would be Blood Raiders + Sansha vs Angel + Serpentis. I think Dread Guristas are more friends with Sansha/Blood Raiders than with Angel / Serpentis too. That could lead to some imbalance like 3 factions vs 2 . But in the end EVE is cruel world and is not meant to be FAIR ;).


There doesn't even need to be more lowsec, if they expanded the FW to low sec regions which are not currently involved, it would make FW seem a whole lot bigger.


Back to my 2 cents, OP, this was an excellent idea. And though I would likely not involve myself with it, it would be cool to watch. I think there might be another influx of FW if they had the chance to fight Pirates instead of just the opposing faction, it would attract more noobs to PVP
Rhea Rankin Nolen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-16 14:02:32 UTC
I absolutely support this idea. Especially like the idea of gaining points for taking out navy faction pilots! LP's should be rewarded when destroying opposing pirate faction and neutral pilots too, but maybe in a smaller amount.

It would be a huge addition to existing FW system, and would sure make lowsec more alive and scenic than ever.

CCP, make it happen! Big smile
Bakuhz
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-06-16 14:20:31 UTC
Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:
I absolutely support this idea. Especially like the idea of gaining points for taking out navy faction pilots! LP's should be rewarded when destroying opposing pirate faction and neutral pilots too, but maybe in a smaller amount.

It would be a huge addition to existing FW system, and would sure make lowsec more alive and scenic than ever.

CCP, make it happen! Big smile


i knew this was a good idea keep it alive and spread the word Pirate

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