EVE New Citizens Q&A

So I'm going the Sisters of EVE Epic Arc.

I've made it to the final push. Dagan. Tough guy, but I'm getting him down faster than he is me. Someone in local asks if he can help fight Dagan as he needs to as well. I figure sure, Fleet up. Like any other game, we'll join a party and complete a mission together, proving that Teamwork is a good thing.

Oh how I was wrong. So we beat the guy. We're all cheering. Looking around the Wreck for Dagan. I guess he took it, only explanation. So, I'm looking around, can't find my Dagan.

25 minute-ish fight.

I ask in help "Only one Dagan, you gotta re-do the mission."

What the **** EVE? Seriously? I get that this is Sandbox, but it makes no sense as I just re-do the mission and Dagan is back there again...so it's not like it's breaking up the feeling of a world.

So, I was beating Dagan. Another noob, we're both noobs, needed help, so he warped into my fight and we win. But only one if us gets a reward. Only one person gets credit.

Terrible design. It promotes solo play and punishes party play. We all work together to do this tough mission, and only ONE guy gets the reward, despite all of us having it and doing our fair share? So we have to run it again, for each person?

Christ EVE. Sandbox, Themepark, MMO, not MMO. It's basic ******* design! Everyone gets rewarded for their part.

And not like I can re-run it with the guy - as servers come down right as we finish pretty much. I can't even believe it. It seems totally absurd any missions system could be designed in such a way as to try to make you not want to party. A mission system that is designed to allow people to troll and steal mission critical items they probably don't need. So Public Groups are completely eliminated.

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/Cue the "Go back to WoW" comments.

Oh it gets better. I was just told, and confirmed by a GM, that I can't complete the mission and will need to have the quest line reset because that was "my" Dagan. I can't just re-do it myself.


And yes yes, I get that whole spiel about how "Trust nobody", I don't care if it was an alt.

It's not his fault. It's not mine. It's EVE. It should've spawned one for each of us, as we both had the mission, both helped kill Dagan.

But no. Then people will come here and justify how that's just "EVE" and how it's "Hardcore" , and it's "my fault".

Right.

So I gotta lose standing now, money, time, effort, ect.

Cmon now,. There's no reason for it to be like this other than lazy developers. Anyone trying to excuse such a system is lying to themselves.

I can understand your frustration, and it must have been quite surprising to realize that you have to repeat it. Honestly i had never considered it since i have never done any of the arc's my self

But i can also understand why CCP would do it like this.
First off the fact that its more difficult means you have to team up. This is a good thing to get used to early in the game since some things are simply easier with a fleet (and some are almost impossible without).

But it also means that you have to be patient! If you are both new players, both doing the same mission, you both should stick around to help the other person. Patience is one of the most important things you need to learn in EVE. If you have no patience, this is not the right game for you.

Third, in some cases someone will "help" you just to run away with the mission objective for the "lulz". This is another very important lesson in EVE. When this happens you have two choices. Be angry about it and quit, or be angry about it and find some way to get payback.
If you choose the second option i would advice that you don't go to the forums or similar and say how bad this person is, but note their name and months and years from now you might end up having his corpse in your hangar
In EVE you need to have that one person that you just "hate", the first one to "violate" you. Instead of viewing it as a bad thing turn it around and make it one of your reasons to get better, learn and advance.

And while your waiting to archive these things you can either buy the mission objective from contracts (not sure if this one can be sold tho?), ask someone else to help you and hope they wont run off with the objective, or wait a couple of days to get some more SP and kill him your self.

And of course, you could always just offer to help another noob and snag the objective from him, thus making someone have you as their arch nemesis

Good luck and welcome to EVE

So someone fooled you into letting him in your mission and steal the objective, but only the game is at fault for allowing such gameplay to happen in the first place.

The reasons (that im guessing on here obviously) is the fact that in a single mission you can learn some of the most important lessons you need to survive in EVE.

Also, added another option in my original post that might suit you better

Hardly. I don't feel of it as being "Cold and hard"

I feel it's dumb and poorly designed from a mechanics stand point. They are actively discouraging party play in a game that is all about being connected with others.

As for Dror's absurd notion. That wouldn't happen.


Destination. Nobody fooled me. NEither of us knew. Both noobs.


On top of this, how can you keep arguing that it's not a poor mechanic when a Game Master has to come and reset the quest? Cmon now. Don't be stupid here.

Or so people say. I've seen videos, heard stories. Also seen videos about big foot, and heard stories as well. Doesn't mean bigfoot exists.

Let's just agree to disagree. Regardless of our own opinions matter of fact is this is how mission system works and I doubt it will ever change. You have a choice of getting over it and at least trying to have fun or move on to different activities.

This might come as a surprise but most people will seem hostile and have some level of attitude if the person talking to them has a bad attitude

Edit; Leaving this here for J'Poll. I will be tired tomorrow

Yeah, we are immature and somehow you are the only one raging in this thread.

Believe me, we had many like you convinced about Eve being wrong and them being right. You don't see them around anymore because either they accept how Eve works or move into different game. Either way Eve gets better because of it.