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Bots in Alsottobier

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Evolution1979
Hull Down Inc.
#121 - 2013-06-22 10:43:38 UTC
Jowen Datloran wrote:
Certainly one of the weirder threads I have ever read.

While the stalking appears equivalent to some paranoid neighborhood watch, I must say, that claiming that ones children is helping you to farm a boring Eve-O complex over and over, is the most mind blowing lie I have read in a while. Unless these are not your biological children, and you have tied them down, of course.


Confirming, I to, use adopted chinese bastard children to farm lvl4 missions for me in drakes!
Funguy2
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#122 - 2013-06-29 18:28:38 UTC
Jesus Christ, I come back after a week and Feya is still farming this plex. Do you farm this plex on a timer day in day out or something???
Feya Kortimna
Menceys Prospectors
T E R C I O S
#123 - 2013-06-29 23:47:37 UTC
Three or four visits to the complex, other times, AFK, or elsewhere.
I apologize for not properly greet.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#124 - 2013-07-01 21:50:10 UTC
Funguy2 wrote:
Jesus Christ, I come back after a week and Feya is still farming this plex. Do you farm this plex on a timer day in day out or something???


Feya farms the plex constantly... I'm not sure if the OP was posting about that, but I personally only had a problem with all her bots that used to crawl the plex. When you have 2-3 alts that are processing through the plex one after another after another all day, all night so that nobody else has the chance to get anything, that is just wrong.

But so far as I know, it's only Feya that has been working the plex lately. I am not sure if everyone's complaints about her botting worked and she got her toons banned or suspended, or if she decided on her own that she got too much attention and it was probably smart to cool it for awhile, or if she is just doing the right thing after realizing she was wrong. Whatever the case might be, she has, so far as I can tell, only been using her toon.

I don't know if she's botting her own toon, it could be she is because I did notice the two times I was in the plex with her, that she acted like a bot, not jumping the gate, failing to get the named NPCs first before the ones closest, expelling and recalling her drones like a bot does, but who knows.

Someone mentioned Feya being an extreme carebear, now that I understand what that means, I would have to agree. She sometimes flies some of the most expensive ships in the plex, but yet she has no kills. And any fight she has been in, she has been killed. So I think this is probably the case. I get the feeling she just farms all day, saves her isk up and buys ships, fits them out and collects them. I know it sounds incredibly boring, but when you look at anything she has done, and then add to it what she does all day long, and the many different ships she flies that are expensive to fit out it all just kind of makes sense. She's just an extreme extreme carebear who thinks she has some status because she farms a plex everyday and buys expensive ships.

What blows me totally away is the amount of isk she really could be making if she used her toons skills and ships to fly opportunities in low and nul sec space. I am a nobody with very little skills yet, and I do pretty damn well for myself working in low and nul space. I will never ever understand people like Feya, just not built that way.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#125 - 2013-07-05 19:21:21 UTC
I would have thought Feya would have learned her lesson, she has not.

I went ahead and reported her today for botting in the plex yet again. I would encourage anyone who sees her doing so to do the same. She is using her Feya toon, but still botting. The patterns are the same, the reactions and actions are the same, unless she is attempting to do everything to look like she is botting, she is again doing so.

How truly pathetic an extreme carebear can a person be?
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#126 - 2013-07-11 16:38:55 UTC
Had to laugh, and laugh and laugh and laugh so hard I nearly passed out!

Feya Kortimna has been killed and a bounty of the sum of 37,773,864 ISK been claimed.

Feya Kortimna has been killed and a bounty of the sum of 15,892,801 ISK been claimed

Big smile
Jewel Noret
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#127 - 2013-07-12 01:28:58 UTC
Chane Morgann wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Chane Morgann wrote:
My point is that her bots are set to warp out when attacked by someone wardeced, I'm usually attacking, taking pop shots in an SB fitted with a few torpedoes, seriously, I have a paper thin tank and no matter if it's a PVE or PvP fitted boat, she should be able to pop me no issue. But since she is not controlling her botting ishtars, she flees instead.


Okay, the "I attacked and they warped out' line is seriously not evidence of botting. Stop trying to use that one.


Lol....

I am going to use it for this reason

It's my understanding that you can set a bot up to leave if it reads someone is in the same system as them.
A human player can leave when someone is in the same system as them

It's also my understanding you can set up a bot to leave if a non NPC pilot attacks them.
A human player can leave if a non NPC pilot attacks them

It is further my understanding that any knowledgeable player, specially one who has been playing for over three years and Pilots Tengus and Ishtars, will, when faced, no matter if fitted for PVE or PvP, will stand and fight against a paper thin tank like an SB, fitted with nothing but torps that don't have any range past 37km, specially when they are also fielding Ogre IIs.
A human player who has zero desire for PVP, and no experience or skill at it, and is flying an expensive PVE fitted ship, will warp off when ANY PVP target engages. You may be paper thin, but would they really want to stick around and see, risking being pointed, then popped by your buddies who fleet warp to you in non-paper-thin ships? If they know ANYTHING about PVP in EVE, they likely know that blobbing is common. Why would you risk an expensive boat that's not set up for PVP to test that theory? Go to nullsec and enter a ratting system, see how many of those PVP'ers will stay put to engage a SB

Forgive me if I am assuming too much, but I don't really think I am at all, I think it's fairly obvious. Another point, if I do nothing and just sit there, the botting pilot/toon/character does nothing until I do, if I wardeced someone, and they were in the same exact room of a complex as I was, I would either immediately commit to a fight, or I would gather my drones while they were still at range, and warp out before they got into range. Just to find them I had to log my pilot out in that system, then log a noob toon not in my corp and wait for the bots to show up, then log my wardecced pilot in, and almost always they warp out right away.
Obviously this player is in it for the profit. If this person warped off any time anyone was in the same room of their plex, that would disrupt their play, and eat into that profit. My question is, if you're shooting at her to get her to engage, why aren't you getting a point first?

And remember, she wardeced me, I did not wardec her.
Seems like a fair attempt at trying to posture and intimidate you to leave her alone, since obviously she doesn't care to PVP with you and you're annoying her.



I suck at quoting, but yeah, you get the point. Quit assuming that everyone thinks and plays like you do.
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#128 - 2013-07-12 06:55:32 UTC
Jewel Noret wrote:
Chane Morgann wrote:
Tah'ris Khlador wrote:
Chane Morgann wrote:
My point is that her bots are set to warp out when attacked by someone wardeced, I'm usually attacking, taking pop shots in an SB fitted with a few torpedoes, seriously, I have a paper thin tank and no matter if it's a PVE or PvP fitted boat, she should be able to pop me no issue. But since she is not controlling her botting ishtars, she flees instead.


Okay, the "I attacked and they warped out' line is seriously not evidence of botting. Stop trying to use that one.


Lol....

I am going to use it for this reason

It's my understanding that you can set a bot up to leave if it reads someone is in the same system as them.
A human player can leave when someone is in the same system as them

It's also my understanding you can set up a bot to leave if a non NPC pilot attacks them.
A human player can leave if a non NPC pilot attacks them

It is further my understanding that any knowledgeable player, specially one who has been playing for over three years and Pilots Tengus and Ishtars, will, when faced, no matter if fitted for PVE or PvP, will stand and fight against a paper thin tank like an SB, fitted with nothing but torps that don't have any range past 37km, specially when they are also fielding Ogre IIs.
A human player who has zero desire for PVP, and no experience or skill at it, and is flying an expensive PVE fitted ship, will warp off when ANY PVP target engages. You may be paper thin, but would they really want to stick around and see, risking being pointed, then popped by your buddies who fleet warp to you in non-paper-thin ships? If they know ANYTHING about PVP in EVE, they likely know that blobbing is common. Why would you risk an expensive boat that's not set up for PVP to test that theory? Go to nullsec and enter a ratting system, see how many of those PVP'ers will stay put to engage a SB

Forgive me if I am assuming too much, but I don't really think I am at all, I think it's fairly obvious. Another point, if I do nothing and just sit there, the botting pilot/toon/character does nothing until I do, if I wardeced someone, and they were in the same exact room of a complex as I was, I would either immediately commit to a fight, or I would gather my drones while they were still at range, and warp out before they got into range. Just to find them I had to log my pilot out in that system, then log a noob toon not in my corp and wait for the bots to show up, then log my wardecced pilot in, and almost always they warp out right away.
Obviously this player is in it for the profit. If this person warped off any time anyone was in the same room of their plex, that would disrupt their play, and eat into that profit. My question is, if you're shooting at her to get her to engage, why aren't you getting a point first?

And remember, she wardeced me, I did not wardec her.
Seems like a fair attempt at trying to posture and intimidate you to leave her alone, since obviously she doesn't care to PVP with you and you're annoying her.



I suck at quoting, but yeah, you get the point. Quit assuming that everyone thinks and plays like you do.


I think you should take your own advice and not assume you know what Feya is thinking. I find it really funny when people post about specific things, when they are doing exactly what they are claiming the other person should not.

You're also a bit late to the game, not only do you suck at quoting, but you suck at looking at the dates. The current subject is that Feya is getting what she deserves after years of being an extreme carebear, camping and botting specific sites.

I am curious, have you ever been in the same space and been able to observe Feya? Because if not, I don't think you are qualified to say anything at all about it.

Just because you believe that what you post sounds interesting, or intelligent, doesn't mean anyone else will see it the same way. Maybe you also need to take your own advice, and attempt to see how other people will understand what you are stating. Personally I think you are just looking for attention.
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#129 - 2013-07-12 07:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Effect One
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:
Had to laugh, and laugh and laugh and laugh so hard I nearly passed out!

Feya Kortimna has been killed and a bounty of the sum of 37,773,864 ISK been claimed.

Feya Kortimna has been killed and a bounty of the sum of 15,892,801 ISK been claimed

Big smile


T'was I!

Ship:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20075102

Pod:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20075101


[EDIT]: Oh, and you may be interested to know that killing the ship apparently disrupted the bot program since the pod just sat there for a good 6 seconds while I locked it up. The ship died within 20 seconds of her decloaking and I refuse to believe anyone at the keyboard would see war targets, and then go afk after initiating warp. The ship didn't even fire back.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon

Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#130 - 2013-07-12 13:20:39 UTC
You, sir, are the wind beneath my wings.

Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#131 - 2013-07-12 16:33:52 UTC
And thank you for proving, beyond doubt, that Feya is in fact using a botting program.

I will continue to slap a 50 mil bounty on her corp for as long as I am able to sustain the bounty, every time I see that it has been collected! In that way, whatever toon she is currently botting with in that particular corp can pay out the reward.

She also uses another corp that has been written about in this thread, if I see she is botting with that corp as well, I'll post a bounty to it as well.

And again, THANK YOU!
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#132 - 2013-07-12 17:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tah'ris Khlador
Nice kill.

Not shooting back and not warping the pod out is still not evidence of botting. That is not proof "beyond a doubt." Non-bots do this all the time. I would expect the cerb to try and gate crash, which would require not engaging aggressive mods.

The time commitments to the site show she probably is a bot, but only CCP can officially determine that. Outside of that, everything is just speculation.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#133 - 2013-07-12 21:44:18 UTC
Aaaaand one of her alts too. Same behaviour. This one actually logged in and warped to the complex while I was in system!

Ship:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20094524

Pod:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=20094523

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon

Feya Kortimna
Menceys Prospectors
T E R C I O S
#134 - 2013-07-12 22:47:24 UTC
Hello again, I see you have a great time, but I can not afford to lose more isk, my war is not with you, my ships is fitted for PVE, and are easy to kill, nexeroff has managed to win its war without leaving the station, I will follow his teachings, and go into NPC corp.
Fly Safe.
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#135 - 2013-07-13 08:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Effect One
Or, I will accept a surrender offer of 500m.

You've already lost 2b, what's another 500m to guarantee I will not war dec you again.

Your choice.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon

Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#136 - 2013-07-14 00:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nexeroff Severasse
Feya Kortimna wrote:
Hello again, I see you have a great time, but I can not afford to lose more isk, my war is not with you, my ships is fitted for PVE, and are easy to kill, nexeroff has managed to win its war without leaving the station, I will follow his teachings, and go into NPC corp.
Fly Safe.


How about not botting? Did that ever occur to you Feya? You can plainly see how people feel about it. You know it's against TOS. So why continue to do it?

From what I can tell with your toons, you leave your corp and then join up again. This time it's not going to blow over. Even if there is nobody to wardec, soon as you are back in your corp I will make sure someone Wardecs you.

And if you choose to stay in an NPC corp, when I am able, I'm just suicide gank you.

I hardly ever check that particular plex anymore, but it seems every single time I do, you are botting it again. For me this is becoming my game, making sure you get what you deserve. From this point forward, so far as I am concerned, whenever it is possible I will make sure you are killed, or hunted, or have a bounty on your head, whatever it takes to make you stop. I find it somehow rewarding, and seeing your toons die has only encouraged me much more.

Even if your ships are fitted for PVE, you still could have run away, warped out, or just not botted the plex you have been botting over and over and over. And even when your ship was shot out of space, you could have warped away instead of being podded, if you were actually controlling your ship.

So far as I am concerned, you are getting exactly what you deserve, now it just needs to be repeated as many times as it takes, to make you realize that continuing your botting is not worth your time.

What really boggles my mind is that when you wardecced the corp I was in, I was barely a month old, not even 2 mil EP. And yet you had to make a remark about it, and here you are using toons 5--6 years or older. And yet, when you obviously could afford to fit out a PVP ship, and have toons trained up that could obviously be used for PVP, you leave your corp for an NPC corp.

I find this very very funny indeed.

I hope you die, repeatedly, over and over again. If not by my own doing, then by anyone who chooses to do so.

If anyone is interested in Ganking Feya, please tell me what bounty I would need to place on her head to gain your interest! If I can afford to do so, I will!
BiscuitMonsterr
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2013-07-14 12:45:05 UTC
Nexeroff Severasse wrote:

Sometimes we become emotionally attached to our arguments and we can't see past what we want to believe because, like a PvP fight, we already have committed to it.

I will say this, I am absolutely convinced beyond a doubt, myself, that Feya is running toons through the plex that would be considered bots by the definition that botting is the act of using a computer program to do what otherwise a human being would be doing, i.e. pressing buttons, moving the mouse, etc. With that being said, I realize I could be wrong. My advantage in this is that I have played another MMORPG the first in fact, since it's beta, over 15 years and have seen bots, made bots, operated bots and killed toons that were operating as bots. This with the fact that I have observed and interacted with Feya's toons and can see they do not react as a human would, and the fact my background is in psychology lead me to believe, beyond any doubt, that these toons Feya is using are in fact bots.

That doesn't mean she doesn't play them, or answer questions in local once in awhile, or doesn't do anything that proves she is at the helm, because she does, specially when she first logs them on, and when she logs them out.

But all anyone that doubts my conclusions has to do is simply observe her when they die down to normal, do what I have done and others that make that area of space their home when they encounter her. I said before to go on the assumption I am wrong, and to see for yourselves what the truth is by interacting with Feya's toons, this was not meant to lend credence to what I was saying, but to get others opinions after seeing what she is doing, how frequently, etc.

Since this thread has been posted, she has not been frequenting the plex, and I suspect the reason is that she is like others have stated, an extreme carebear and is afraid of what this thread and all talking on this will mean for her expensive shiny ships. Although she had no problem spending 370 mil on my bounty, I don't really think she is hurting for isk, scanning her ships holds prove she flies her bots around with sometimes millions worth of mods and BPCs obtained from the plex, I still think the thought of ###EDITED WAS loosing THE CORRECT SYNTAX IS losing### her expensive Ishtars makes her cringe.

Until you have personally observed her toons botting, I wouldn't expect anyone to just take my word for it, what I have presented here are my experiences alone, and most of the people posting in this thread do not know me in the slightest. I am just some Joe Blow posting on a thread bitching about botting because I am not getting the named NPCs or the structure.

But check it out, and then explain how I am wrong, if I am wrong I will take my pill and swallow it, I have no problem being proved wrong because learning to me is more important than my pride being damaged because I was proven wrong. And if I am right, I would be glad for the confirmation.

I also appreciate the communities response on this, the discussion and the debate, it all has value. I am finding EVE one of the most socially complex games I have ever encountered with aspects found nowhere else.


Your writing style reminds me of Nigerian 419 scam emails. What's your background in psychology, if you don't mind me asking?
Nexeroff Severasse
Asymmetrical Explorations
#138 - 2013-07-14 14:45:32 UTC
BiscuitMonsterr wrote:
Your writing style reminds me of Nigerian 419 scam emails. What's your background in psychology, if you don't mind me asking?


Nigerians have a very particular way of writing in English that has to do with how they learn to speak English. For example, if a Nigerian were to state that their name was John Doe, they would not write "My name is John Doe", but instead they might say "Am John Doe by name"

If you are going to go out of your way to quote me, and then attempt to insult me, the very least you can do is make an intelligent comparison that makes sense.

So far as your inquiry is concerned, I hold an advanced degree in Psychology and held a job where I was required to profile people attempting to commit certain illegal activities.